Thank you for the kind words. As I said it is prepping is not a thing to be done but more a way of living. I did not grow up directly in the country, my town was small though and a short walk and I was out of town in farm fields that stretched for miles. A short drive of a half hour I was on a large inland salt water lake to the south. A short drive north or west and I was in wood lands. I had the luxury of having one foot in modern living and the other in country living. So I was blessed to have the best of both worlds. I am so grateful to God for that and the life he allowed me to have. I would not trade it for all the tea in China.
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What I’ve surmised to support the pretrib rapture is within the fact we don’t know the day or hour. I don’t think mid tribbers understand that how they are seeing scripture puts them in an area of knowing . It’s because how they see it . They believe that exactly 3 1/2yrs from the day the treaty is signed the rapture would occur. This can’t possibly be just for that reason. God is known for His timing. And if we’re not to know the day nor the hr, then mid trib is out and so is post. Pre trib works within knowing the seasons whereas, the others have time markers that are to exacting for " a thief in the night " moment.
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Mathew 24:43-44 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Pretty clear here as well in Luke that the head of the house does not know when the thief would come. Note well that the scripture implies that the thief came at a time of not watching because he had suffered his house broken into. In simplest terms yes we can know the seasons where it may happen as in a thief comes in the night and likely Jesus may come in a time relation to the feast days but still that is not guaranteed because he can still come at another time as well, a time when we think He may not show up but does.
So the night of the thief is a general time as in a point in history where the signs given by Jesus on the mount is a time to be watchful. But still no one knows the hour or day. That means that Jesus could come on Tuesday Nov. 14, 2023 or it could be Wednesday Feb. 15, 2024. These are days that have nothing to do with Jewish feast days. I suspect that will be the time of more likelihood of the Rapture as those are days people are not looking at specifically. With all the bickering, date setting, etc that goes on now it would suit the whole church right if Jesus did just that as a way to say why did you make such a fuss over the timing when I told you NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR. Why did you not take me at my word? We deserve to be humbled that way.
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I’m trying very hard here not to interject but I must say every single reference of “No man knoweth the day or hour” always refers to the Second Coming in context.
I can only say with a shout, voice of the archangel, and the Trump of God it should be pretty convincing that we as believers are about to be caught up. No thief in the night moment there for sure.
The taking of both Enoch and Elijah was witnessed by many and in the case of Elijah it was even expected. Noah and his family being lifted up on the surface of the great deluge was also witnessed and expected. Lot, being present at the gates of the city of Sodom knew judgement was coming and the angelic ambassadors declared that Lot and his family, must be removed, prior to the destruction of the cities of the Plain.
It is my expectation that although the Rapture is identified as a mystery, it will not be a mystery for the participants. 3 distinct wake-up calls should be pretty convincing to us that our time has arrived.
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As far as I can tell this applies to the 2nd coming?
Most of these types of scriptures seem to point to the second coming but maybe not. I don’t expect to know the hour and would not count on a day but who knows yet, but Noah did.
But this one where scripture is placed and speaking to those that know of and should repent or they shall not be ready.
Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Shalom
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Ok I am confused. In 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 Paul explains to the church at Corinth that Jesus will come for the church and that is the rapture. Jesus did not specify when giving His list of signs in Mathew and Luke exactly what He meant about his return that it would be a two staged event with at least 7 years in the middle. Paul does in the above passage explain the first stage. Revelation tells us of the second stage when Jesus and the church return.
Given the likely timing of the writings of Mathew and Luke and then later 1 Corinthians, and even later yet the Revelation given to John from which we learn that during Daniel’s last week of years a whole lot of people will be dying in thirds of world population at a time, not many people will be left when the second stage happens and of those probably very few will have been saved and survived to the end.
So my question is why does the phrase, " no man knowing the day nor hour" have to pertain to only one of the stages. It makes more sense if it pertains to both. The fact that Paul tells the mystery of the rapture and mystery implying something not known is the same as how far into the battle of Armageddon is it when Jesus returns to the planet. In both cases there is no specified day or time just a generalization of time related to certain events.
If I say I am going to visit my sister in the month of November and nothing more, she will be looking for me all month long but she won’t know what day I will arrive if I don’t tell her specifically nor what time of day. To me Jesus is saying of his return in a similar manner. I am coming this is the general time frame era that it will happen when you see these things come to pass. Then Jesus also reminds us that when we do see these things come to pass the end is not yet. So that tells me, in conjunction with what Paul says to Corinth a two stage return, one partial not all the way to the earh and the second fully and bodily some 7 years later if I add in Daniel and Revelation which is necessary to get a better understanding over all.
So to me to claim not knowing the day or hour pertains to one stage or the other makes no logical sense. It would seem to me that it petains to both. We are never told exactly in scripture when Jesus will come for the Rapture just the seaons based on the signs. We are also not told in Revelation how far into the battle of Armageddon it will be when Jesus comes to put it to an end and start His earthly kingdom. In both cases we are simply not told a day nor hour.
Now when I consider that all the Israelites had in Egypt was the promise given to Abraham of having a home land in the area Abraham surveyed from the mountain top that the slave time in Egypt was not specified with a specific limit nor was the time from Egypt till entering the promised land was specified with a specific ETA as well. God for His reasons does not tell us many things and we really should learn from Israel’s experiences to just accept two things. First is that if the promise is given it will come to pass and second if we are not given a specific time line then accept that as well that we will not know. The promise is given, the timing of it is not and just trust God to handle it all. It begs the question why so many people get bent around the axel over when the rapture will happen. It will happen when God decides and not a moment sooner or later. We are never told when that is so we can’t know until it happens. It is pretty cut and dry.
All I see is a lot of back and forth that does nothing towards reaching the lost and in many cases when seen with a constant squabble over it turning the lost away. We really need to just let it go because God has chosen not to tell us. Maybe we could spend more time trusting God’s timing rather than trying to figure it out. Like Andy told Opie when Opie asked when was Jesus coming back, “I don’t rightly know son. We are not on the planning committee, we are on the welcoming committee.” Well if we are on the welcoming committee then should we be busy getting things ready for His return instead of arguing over when it will be. I mean there are seeds to be planted, people to be prayed for to make it the best welcome Jesus can get to see.
In the end what I see here and other places is a lot of what Pastor JD has talked about in the past, lots of distraction and deception and not a whole lot of welcoming planning for when ever it turns out to be.
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I agree Dan. It might even be said of the end of the 1,000 year reign in context. But what we do see from the immediiate context is it pertaining specifically to His second coming (at least as spelled out in scripture). I am of the school of thought that the virgins are in relation to Jews of the tribulation. Which would also imply, His second coming. And then the talents also in chapter 25 in reference to when He comes to reward or judge. I would see from these context that a view to extrapolate “no one knows the day or hour” to be placed on the rapture does two things:
a) Shifts the focus from Israel to the church in a context relating to His reason to need to be watched for…their, as Jews in general as a nation, rejection of their Messiah. Both the head of the house and sensible slave analogies remaining in Matt 24 seem to infer Israel and His physical appearance, in my estimation.
b) The Revelation the Father gave to Christ to telll John 60 years later in the book of Revelation (after the desruction of the temple–prophesied in part in the gospels) would be Christ infroming the believing church of things the Father (who knows the timing) after the destruction of the temple might (just maybe…we may not know for sure) present some aspects of timing in these after Israeli destruction occured writings imparted to John too.
Matt 24 Context:
32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so you too, when you see all these things, [y]recognize that [z]He is near, right at the [aa]door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For [ab]the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not [ac]understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 At that time there will be two men in the field; one [ad]will be taken and one [ae]will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the [af]mill; one [ag]will be taken and one [ah]will be left.
Blessings.
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My understanding : (re: Rapture vs Return / day & hour verses)
Jesus came with a specific purpose, to save both Jew and Gentile… but…
Romans 1:16 KJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16 EXB
For I am not ashamed of the Good News Gospel, because it is the power God uses to save everyone who believes—to save the Jews first, and then to save Gentiles (the Greeks; here meaning anyone who is not Jewish;
It is good to remember that in context, Jesus was (almost always) specifically addressing the Jews, and while much of what Jesus shared applies to both Jew and Gentile believers, much was specifically pointing to, and specifically aimed at, the Jews.
End Times prophecy is one such case.
(2 Timothy 2:15)
This is also why many, both in the Christian Church, and in Judaism today, do not have a clear understanding of which scriptures apply to Israel, and which scriptures apply to the Church, and end up confused and teaching falsely. (Replacement Theology , Dominionism, Zionism - ringing any bells?)
As someone (a couple brethren actually) here have stated before, every “cannot know the day of the hour” verse… that Jesus spoke, is specifically pointing to, and addressed towards, the Jews.
And specifically applies to the End of the Tribulation period / Return of Jesus Christ, and not the Rapture of the Church.
Jesus knows the Jews will reject Him as their Messiah, and that they will be going through the 7 year Tribulation / Daniel’s 70th week / “Time of Jacob’s Trouble”, and that many Jews “will” be deceived and believe the A/C to be their “messiah”.
Jesus knows that they will experience the A/C’s reign and persecution, and that they, the Jews, having rejected Him as their Messiah, overall, do not, and will “not”, understand prophetic scripture in the O/T and even moreso, and in particularly, in N/T prophecy.
Scripture also tells us that there will be a “famine” of God’s Word in those days / times.
The Jews have been, and still will be, partially and temporarily blinded, by God, to these spiritual truths.
So in essence, those Jews that Jesus is addressing, will “not” "know the day or the hour", even of his 2nd coming.
When you read the "day or hour verses “in context” with this understanding, it becomes much more clear as to which group Jesus is addressing.
I hope this helps 
Amos 8:11
“Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God, “That I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine of bread, Nor a thirst for water, But of hearing the words of the Lord.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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I wish i could see the brightest morning star Venus but it’s cloudy and raining here in Oklahoma. Are you able to see it from where you are? Can anyone see this brightest star outside? If so, try and take a photo.
Tyler Generation2434 shared this on his Telegram.
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To Fly or Not to Fly
It’s all good either way.
This will prove be an interesting day.
Either we fly or many will have to go back to the chalk board as others can’t wait to say I Told You So of course in a sanctified way.
I can think of a few pastors on the book selling circuit I expect to hear if we are still here at the end of this season of high watch.
Funny thing this season will not end of High Watching until we are Gone!!!
But we shall be forced to look at all the scriptures that are being fulfilled during this window of time and should be encouraged to the MAX!!
I am Looking Up and Will Keep looking Up with Great Expectation this will not hinder or diminish my excitement.
Why, well after all the wonderful things I learned from all the watchmen research I am even “More Sure” the LORD shall soon return for His Body Who is also known as His Bride. Yes, two united as one forever!!!
Maranatha
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Thanks Stacey. Looks interesting. Did anyone catch it? Looks like the article had a typo about using “sunset” instead of sunrise. But cool that he alerted people when to check it out. I just noticed today so i did not check it out. Blessings.
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Hey Sister,
I found this and thought you might like what it says about this biblically.
The identity of the bright morning star in Revelation 22:16 is revealed in the verse itself. Jesus says, “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” This verse is found in the concluding chapter of the book of Revelation, with Jesus confirming His divine nature and His physical lineage connected to David. In His human nature, Jesus is a “root”—He is lowly, humble, and unremarkable—but in His divine nature, Jesus is the “bright Morning Star”—He is majestic and lifted on high.
Also thanks for sharing as we can all research it out together as family correct?
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