June 13, 2021: Bible Prophecy Update

personal belief, keeping in mind I’m no biblical expert, is that anyone who is concerned about their salvation, is definitely going to be saved unless their final end-all decision is to reject God. I believe in your salvation. I pray for doubt to disappear. you have leaned on God and not given up on Him. there is always a blessing and a contouring from the hands of God in a heart like that. God bless you Jaimie <3


I may have lost all the blessings and crowns God wanted to give me through making my own bad decisions. I may only have one crown left and that is not going to be taken from me.


aww Jaimie!! I feel your pain. I too have lost out on lots of blessings because of my bad decisions. but remember He doesn’t care what it takes or how long it takes. we will kick ourselves over and over for what we have done. I see the missing blessings that I threw away so hard. but ultimately the best blessing of all awaits: the infinite possibilities that come with living forever under God’s protection, with an incorruptible body, for eons beyond the time we’ve had here to screw up in a fallen world. it didn’t start with us, but it will end with us, and we will go on to not make those mistakes again- eventually. I know the burden of a guilty conscience, it weighs on me daily, I pray for relief for you. comfort from God. it is so much to turn from our wicked ways, and seeing as you hate what youve done and turn to God over and over, you’re going to be okay. God knows whether your repentance is a lie. our apologies and pleas for His help after we messed up again, are feeble and weak. but through them He strengthens us He promises <3 <3


Don’t worry about it.

I can relate to that.

lastly there is one thing I can say about the vax

most of my family has had it. I feel it can’t come between them and God if they end up turning to him. they are lost and brainwashed. but personally I feel God won’t let that be the end-all-be-all, in fact I think He can use its evil to reveal the truth to my family who took this poison already. I don’t know how truths will come clear to them but as of now even if it is the mark, I think there’s more development to that before it becomes worshipping the beast and rejecting the God they do know deep down and have forsaken. I think there is still time for them. but many who chose the vax, have rejected God in their hearts already, and that’s the kicker. they will worship the beast by the end. those are the feeble beliefs I hold at the moment and its up for debate. <3


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The ​:hushed: in my post replaced an emoji that apparently didn’t come through. But thanks for mentioning the big picture frame silencing the boy’s mouth. Its creeping me out now. :smile:

I’m not up on all of the symbols…so what is the significance of the “double mirrored pyramid thingy”? (Its very helpful that you use the precise technical terms by the way. :rofl:) Other than avoid wearing preppy argyle clothing at all costs? I think someone posted a video recently. Not sure if it was hand signs, symbols or both but could be helpful if I can find it again…

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Amen and amen.

I wonder if some of the confusion may come from the fact that some versions of the Bible do use the world FORCE?

Revelation 13:16 in KJV and many other translations uses the word “causeth” or “causes” or “makes” which is poieó, Strongs 4160. The word does not imply force. I put a link at the bottom.

But some versions–NIV, ISV, GWT, GNT, CEV, MSG, CJB, ICB, and maybe a few others-- do use the word “force” in that verse. Despite that it seems to me the meanings are entirely different.

Causeth/causes/makes implies that it’s a law causing people to either comply OR disobey and thus receive a penalty (beheading). In that scenario, people still have free will of which choice to make.

Forced implies an irresistible power and thus the removal of choice/free will by physically imposing someone else’s will.

If someone is literally physically forced (or unconscious), are they responsible for what is done to them against their will?

Seems to me the Bible says Satan can only do what God allows him, like he had to ask before doing all that stuff to Job. So he is allowed to coerce, seduce, threaten, and deceive people… but will God allow him to force us and remove our choice / free will?


That’s scary to consider. If it did come to that with the jab before the rapture, seems to point even more strongly to it not being the mark, right?


Hi Paula. Well, i don’t know what it means to Mike exactly. It just shows up a lot. And he has demonstrated by the use of runes and symbolism and character (plus I understand never gives a gospel presentation at his concerts from what I understand) that he is not a genuine believer but ok with being led into wordy occult practices. What I know of the pyramid is that it is a huge symbol used all over the place by the freemason order (which is rather steeped into the occult themselves). Free masons are also interested in mirror images (especially upper and lower “as above so below” is a saying of theirs). So to me it looks like a version perhaps of the infinity snake eating its own tail sign…



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:cry: A :cry: M :cry: E :cry: N :cry:

Hi Jamie. Thanks for sharing your concerns. I like that Pastor JD warns against the vax. I like that Pastor JD is passionate to do so. But if we go by his passion we will also discover that he has said it is not the mark and that he has compassion and hope even for those who take the vax…and he has a lot more experience with the word than we do (although we always need to be discerning) and can rely upon his own framing of the general context. I would encourage you to hear his compassion and his understanding too in the midst of his zeal to warn.

I would just say that if the word does not come right out and say it, we are in an age where somebody will. And in all likelihood it has the chances of being beyond scripture more than insight…at least as a staple we find to be so over the years…you know?

Rev 13:14-17

And he deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform [j]in the presence of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image to the beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life. 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even [k]speak and cause all who do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, [l]to be given a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 and he decrees that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

What the word says is that 1) signs and wonders, 2) the beast is injured, 3) the beast revives and the world worships him, 4) the false prophets commands to make an image after the beast and worship it, 5) the image speaks, 6) the image forces the mark upon us. Also please see Rev 14:9…

9And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,

So God is showing us by His benevolent character that an angel will warn us and there will be lying wonders, a command to build an image after a championed one whom the world worships, and an image that is literally made to speak before God will consider conditions right for judgement in taking the mark. He is a wise and loving God. He has laid out His character for us to see this. If the mark is voluntary early on…the angel is running late and probably lost his angel job. But we know that has not occurred or would occur because God is a God of perfect timing and He would not tell us one thing and pull a fast one on us. He loves His creation enough to warn them 2000 years ahead of schedule. But if we try and pull more out of Revelation, we also run the danger of tentatively adding to it perhaps. Which would be serious enough for us to consider not to and just take God at the words He has provided for us in His truth worthy word. :slight_smile:


Amen. And we see too Rev 15:2 “And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who were victorious [a]over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God.” This would infer that the tribulation saints can and do.

Hi Neil, great point. This forum used to be the wild wild west but it has gotten a lot better in the last few months. There are times the tensions run a bit high. But from what i have seen since last November is that we are all headed in a very good direction on our forum. There will be breakouts here and there but i have seen this forum mature as a body dynamic and it is a beautiful thing to see.

I think your comment is well placed and timed. It is always good for us to reflect and regroup. Our forum is a work in progress. And thank you for speaking up as you have. It is an honor to grow along side of you. I just want to say that as things continue unfold there might be some intense moments ahead. These may cause a bit of a stir, but they also may bring us a lot closer together…which is my hope too. Blessings.


Hello Teren,

Thanks for the reply.
I hope I’m not speaking out of turn or upsetting anyone. I certainly did not want to come across as accusing or picking sides in the debate.

It is a subject that I think can worry many and as Jaimie said, when it starts getting into a salvation issue, maybe stepping back and reflecting on where the conversation could lead might be best.



You are speaking your honest mind from a sincere heart. The forum will always come with the perceptions of others. Thanks for your considerate post. You are a part of our growth here. I don’t get the feeling that anyone was upset by what you stated in the least :slight_smile: There is nothing to argue here. As a new believer you desire growth in maturity of our forum, and that is something good to have spoken out about.

I have certain controversial positions I discuss from time to time on this forum. Sometimes it gets several involved. I don’t try to stir up trouble, but I don’t mind the disagreement. And I know there is love here, and its a growing process for all of us…and me too…especially if I end up being wrong about certain things…lol. As Ecclesiastes says: There is a time for everything. And this everything was you complimenting our forum with your sincere heart and expression.


Oh, the memories to that comment…Keith Green. When I was young my mom took to me to a lot of his concerts. Lived in Southern California at that time. It was funny because the other day I was singing a song of his. Oh Lord, You’re Beautiful It is interesting that you had mentioned him. Thank you!

He touched the hearts of so many, even after his death. That just aged me. :crazy_face:


After a good night’s sleep and calming down quite a bit I must apologise to all forum members, new and old, for how things turned out.

I am extremely jealous of my faith and this does sometimes cause problems and division. I was not at my best.