May 16 2021: Bible Prophecy Update

Thank you for taking time to respond appreciate your reply very much :pray::heart:

I am grateful for your response , I really love the way you have explained with the tempting of Jesus ā€¦thank you :pray::heart:

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I say both a two fold prophecy then and now!

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Thank you for your message , it has made me think deeply , it saddened me deeply to see such theatrics and how itā€™s happening everywhere Iā€™ve left 2 churches because of this ā€¦ Again thank you TCC :pray::heart:
I think JD said to die ( give your whole self to Christ) to self daily . Some days for me itā€™s hourly :pray::roll_eyes:

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I hope you are correct would love to see some kind of awakening before the 7.

This is where we would differ Dan. Because the 1st seal has historically been seen for centuries as far more good than evil, I would chalk thinking it is deception and AC to an age that might tend too see too much conspiracy as we certainly are prone to do. But I could be wrong. I am just saying I leave room for God in that equation. And I see God and the deep state players as two separate entities. I say that tongue-in-cheek of course. I know what you are saying. I just donā€™t think we leave much room for God in this. We just cosign our age to Satan practically. And he is not sovereign. And its still the age of grace. I understand the temptation. I am guilty in areas of this too. But it should concern us that we have not permitted God a place in much of this. We know how things go to a degreeā€¦and we fill in a lot of blanks presuming we are tracking with the spirit of prophecy. But it may come out differently. It is a reasonable danger to warn againstā€¦one specific to our age for sure at least is all.

Ok, my actual answer to your quote though is this: That would be true Dan if it were 1980. But are we not on the verge of completely losing the country and the constitution? The stakes are higher than you are sharing here. Now is the time. If Biden regime is not stoppedā€¦then Biden (not Trump) is the last president (ok Harrisā€¦but whateverā€¦lol). In other words the dems will be the imperialistic ruling party and America is gone. So letā€™s just say someone in politics knew what time it was. If we see it now, could not some see it going into things a few years backā€¦or certainly along the way? Or is our way of concluded more informed that what drama we see now play out before our eyes might infer? Just saying.

Iā€™d buy that if Christians were aware there were four horses (one white) in Zachariah too. And the white being Cyrus. No one is talking about this. Not even NARā€¦they donā€™t study their bibles areal. So I seriously doubt they would use Trump to wink at that to a world that would not be able to see that in the bible. Like I mentioned before someone told me that COVID was the 1st seal and fake apocalypses. I donā€™t think the real apocalypses is a fake version of itself. I think its a fake pandemic, yes. But their famed messiah did not affirm Israel, nor broker the Abraham Accords, nor stare down China, nor stare down North Korea, nor brought the stock market to highest point ever, nor bring back manufacturing, nor challenge the deep state narrative. You are willing to go too many miles to see deception in a world where God in on the throne of a time of grace. You are far more a gambling man than eye brother. I go for risk extraordinaire. But I would find it far too risky to see everything as conspiracy. Man only lives 70 to 80 years. Just sayingā€¦i think that might be seeing a little too far into things we donā€™t know. There are things we can measure though. It is safer, not as risky, not as sexy. But conservative investments do pay often. Blessings.

Well, I agree but one can hope that father would give the US one last chance to draw near him He did use the US to send a lot of missionaries out. I know owes the US nothing but one can hope and pray he will.

Maranatha

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Run dont walk from anything that sounds, smells or looks like an ā€œawakeningā€.

Nowhere in scripture is anylike even closely spoken of as an endtime awakening,
rather massive overwhelming spiritual deception.
There will be a counterfeit revival or event to deceive even the elect if that were possible.

The coming ā€œawakeningā€ will be Luciferian even though it will use scripture, signs and
wonders, and be done in the name of God.

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Of course he plays them like a fiddle. Until they have no way out but to follow the path and trap he has set.

Psalm 37:13
The Lord laughs at him [the wicked oneā€”the one who oppresses the righteous], For He sees that his day [of defeat] is coming.

Oh yes I forgot about that, I havenā€™t heard that brought up in a long time and not sure with Trump in the conversation either.

I thought Trump would be the last never thought the left would get a chance to steal it.

Maybe so, but it has been against my will the whole time. I wanted to ignore the obvious issue.

I did not buy anything about who he was as far as a playboy or billionaire but when I found the info on the dark side of the moon.

I started to except there was more to the story. Including his uncle and Tesla, the Rothschilds bailing him out of bankruptcy and then his son-in-law and Soros dealing not to forget Bibi used to stay at Jaredā€™s parents house when in town.

For the NAR and many christian conservative he was a messiah figure more than a Cyrus figure donā€™t you think, well you must you wondered yourself if he could be ACā€¦

Anyway, I believe itā€™s always safer to bet to not trusting of either side.
I believe you are the gampler here.

But again I have not given any study the the White horse idea I guess itā€™s possible a Trump possibility. Not holding my breath either way on this one.
Shalom

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It is happening now and many are running to what is termed the ā€œUniversal Christ.ā€

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Thanks Dan. I donā€™t really see it like a chance for America as much though bro. I understand where you are coming from though. And it could go down wicked bad. Perhaps I have Pollyanna glasses onā€¦but I really donā€™t mean it as a chance for America. I am not thinking in those terms. In ways America does not deserve it. As sinners no one does. I know God works with nations too though. We provide the world with adultery through its veins. Canā€™t go too well for us. But I am merely looking at it from what I would consider a practical standpoint. Like according to Godā€™s character and just what all the noise and dirt and dust kicks up. Putting that together, it would seem to me that Godā€™s character would want to be the first in the door. Not that America deserves though. If that makes sense. Blessings.

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@FearNot
Thanks so much for the articles.

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Yes, that word has unfortunately become linked with the Q movement and the NAR beliefs, for starters. We have to be pretty watchful.

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This movement is seeping into the churches, for certain.

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@anon28331375 lolā€¦thanks Dan. Although your not exactly helping. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: I am so busting up right now. Its not you bro. Its just the way some things are expressed. I am not here to proselytize or support any awakening. I just call it like I see it. But just for the record dear brotherā€¦noā€¦I am not looking to an awakening. I do believe though there is a high chance that things get shaken up quite a bit. For clarity on how I see it, please see my other postā€¦I donā€™t believe in the awakening

If that is how things go, yeah the New Age will likely tower that kind of phenomenon. It will be deceptive. I see other things going on, but yeah that would likely be one big yuge one. But yeahā€¦not the way to get caught up in things at the end of our age, amen. Or EZ 38 could some how be an unexpected exit and our cue out amen. Blessings.

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I try not to bring it up. I know its not overly popular. Trump could have been an ego maniac thinking he could never lose. We see Trump like this. But something tells me after playing poker with these guys for 4 years (having become a billionaire), you get a sense of your opposition and what they are capable of. I doubt they were all that surprised. Trump spent 4 years in being non-stop media and political stalking toward him. They totally had a mad crush on the man. It would not be that much of a surprise looking back.

On this one it was not a bailout. Trump had clout. If they removed his name from casino they would lose money. They had to work with him to get their money back. With Trump it is easy to let the media influence what we think. But that one, is not true. They needed him alive more than they needed him dead. That is not a bail out. That is winning as you lose.

Yeah sure he could be. And yes he is too big in the hearts of NAR. NAR want to ride his coattails into the 1,000 year reign of Christ. I donā€™t let what pseudo religions believe about a person as much as what trends are occurring to something larger and deeper than a socio-economic neediness of a group of heretics inform on what i am looking at. It almost means nothing what they think. I know that sounds strange. But I am not looking at the religious gossip about a sect of misled folk (not that you are but how they ridiculously make themselves available for). I look at the word, the character of God, the trends, and the whole of reaction. I think he could be AC. Or I think he could be the 1st seal Cyrus type. I donā€™t think he is going to lead NAR into the 1,000 reign of Christ. Unless they are willing to hold onto his coattails for 7 years while God fleeces them. I donā€™t perceive Trump as saved. But I am not looking at it nostalgically like NAR or even conservative America. I look at it as the quicker way outta here. NAR and conservative America are kind of on their own. I think God could allow NAR and ideologues to be confused and into self or hero worship. Not all conservatives. And perhaps some in NAR really want out and just be normal. But those that are deceived by their sin, they would be led by the sins of their heart. But when I look at all that is occurringā€¦the context fits. ORā€¦lolā€¦yeahā€¦he could be AC. Doesnā€™t seem to fit at all as you mentionedā€¦but we never know. Not my first or even second choice. It used to be.

I love you Dan. Thank you for this. I deserve it . And good job. And in a way you are right. I mean I would go with not being concerned with Trump more than being concerned. So if that means like thinking he is some neutral entityā€¦i would side with that more than AC. I get your point. Well taken brother. My point is not really about Trump though. It has more to do with the character of God at the end of the age of grace. Many more centuries understanding seal 1 as good than evil. They may be wrongā€¦but i see our times trending to triple down on evil. Its good to be discerning. But in all honestly i donā€™t see it as all that healthy. That is where we might differ the most though brother. Love you to pieces brother. You are a super trooper. Thanks for are your interaction. You have great heart my dear brother. Blessings.

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If I remember right he gave the Rothchild connection an appointment in his cabinet.

Wilbur Ross, the senior managing director of Rothschild New York. Ross was Trumpā€™s Commerce Secretary.

Wow how do you really feel about them? :sunglasses:
I know its terrible the deception they have placed on so many belivers with in the NAR.

Yes sir, we still riding on the same plane my brother!
And after seeing the Eternals trailer I believe the Disclosure may be more than we expected and sooner maybe. Thats means the rapture even sooner.

Canā€™t argue with that one.

Well I am sure the Lord has more for us to talk about down the road but Right now I just got a text from my farmer buddy sayings rotating storm was heading our way so time to get ready just in case .

This is on the same path as last weeks rain bomb and a few small tornadoes.

Dispatching Angels right now.

Shalom

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@FearNot ugh, bummer with DC talk and wow, that is some weird stuff. Even Jesus gave glory to the Fatherā€“so not getting this universal jargonā€“seems they believe we are all ā€œlittle ā€˜gā€™ā€ gods? I didnā€™t read the articles just looked at the captionsā€“very disturbing.

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Hi Teren
Thanks I had missed this post. :slightly_smiling_face:
Apologies to all for my same old conversation about this.

You say this:

But then this whole post seems to very carefully say otherwise.

I wont spend a lot of time on this post as I have done in the past.on this subject with you.
No thanks necessary. :grin:

Your post is so well lubricated that it is hard to pin down what you are actually saying.
But there are carefully worded reasonings which could lead one to abandon concerns and follow the ā€œblessingā€ and join with rhe false church and the rest of the deceived.

Our practical standpoints can deceive us the most as it is human reasoning.
Gods character is Love, but He is also Holy,.Righteous and Just.

Hope this isnt disregarded as I am severely ā€œhermenuticallyā€ challenged.
And if I did have a hermenutic it would most likely be ā€œirregularā€. :grin:

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Yahoo. Hi Gigi. My precious sister. Always great to hear from you. Ok so lets start here:

By the way, thanks so much to take the time to care. It means a lot. You have much skin in this game. Wellā€¦not a gameā€¦but i just mean that this is an area where much of your heart and soul had been invested and having heart now and concern for those who might be sucked into something you have had first hand experience of knowing about. I really donā€™t have that vantage point. Plus you have stated recently that you do have friends in NAR that you still try and witness to. That is awesome. For what clarity it might provide, I was a charismatic for the first 3 years of believing. And have been now a cessationist for over 20 years. Several years ago a heard about Mark Taylor and the some Trump prophecy. This was when I was thinking Trump was the AC. So it just all seemed bizarre. I heard like 5 minutes of Mark and then noticed he was trying to explain why a prophecy did not come to passā€¦lol. So yeah that was about the extent of my exposure to NAR. Well back in the day when I was charismatic, I though Ken Copeland was legit. But I have not thought that since being a charismatic.

When I say that I donā€™t believe in the great awakening, what I mean is that I am not looking for that or consider it a ā€œthing.ā€ That is what the New Age is looking for. All the Great Awakening means to me is like a ā€œtrip wire,ā€ to look for other things going on. I donā€™t believe in it like you donā€™t believe it. But in how you expressed it, you seem to think one might occur. And in that way I would agree of that possibility. Yes, that something like the New Age thinking the next level of human advancement has come and bla bla bla. So thinking that phenomenon occurs where New Agers claim it as human enlightenment might happen, which is why you would be concerned if it goes down that way. It may not at all. Trump might get bumped off or somethingā€¦we donā€™t know. Or the middle east just totally lose its mind and America sinks into quicksand along with Trump and the horizon of the tribulation comes upon us. Or, New Agers claim a Great Awakening occurs because conservatives are taking the country back. At this point, I really donā€™t know which way it will go. Personally i think if America becomes strong again it will bring the rapture a lot faster because to me that likely might be the 1st seal. But if Ez 38 comes first, it might take a while to rapture because we have to wait for peace again and then the world losing its peace again after Ez 38. Thay could take years. I am interested in rapturing sooner. If we are on the cusp of the 1st seal and my take on that is valid, then we could go before any of us sees it. Or at it or just as perhaps a retaliation punch of seal 2 (possibly Ez 38 strikes back) and we rapture just before that as JD would thinkā€¦as the bombs go down, we go up.

The explanation I gave Violet about the Great Awakening was that I see that as a markerā€¦not as a New Age thing to claim. I think if it goes that wayā€¦yeahā€¦the New Agers will claim it. But I donā€™t believe it is what they think it is. And when we throw that term around, I have never heard of it used for the 21st century as revival for the church. So yeah, I donā€™t believe in that. I donā€™t believe we should even look for that. That is not something the church should be looking for. But Violet asked how i see it differently. Like how can I see the 1st seal good if there is a twisted Great Awakening attached to it. So I showed that i look at the term and concept as a marker on Godā€™s calendarā€¦not New Agers. That is of course if that is even accurate or that things even go in that direction. So I guess I should say I donā€™t believe in the Great Awakening like the New Agers do. I guess that might be more accurate. But to me, it is not being more straight forward because if that thing happens then I would be thinking ā€œOk, so if this gets apocalyptical, and America really comes back strong and Trump overcomes the deep state, yeahā€¦then I would be thinking this is the first seal not knowing how much time we might have until the second seal.ā€ Because if we were still here then, I would not see the church staying here for seal 2. I would not know if that is years or if that is days. The Great Awakening would not be something I would really be thinking about beyond a newspaper headline. And of course something to evangelize for Christ and salvation. Not for some universal Christ. But for the one who died on a cross for sinners not to become enlightened but to repent and turn to Him. I would use the Great Awakening to turn people toward Christ like ā€œThe God that is allowing this level of justice is about to destroy the earth. You donā€™t have very long. Now is the time to believe.ā€ So yeah I guess if we look at it that way I would say I believe that the Great Awakening, should something like that occur, be a spring board to share the gospel just like if someone brings up that they are a religious and go to mass every week. Its like an opening to talk about Christ. But i would be not be all like, ā€œWow, isnā€™t this awesomeā€¦maybe we will find out how to live for 500 years or something since it seems like God is granting us such a golden age.ā€ I mean I am not looking for that. If the Great Awakening occurs, all that means is they have 7 years to not enjoy it. That is a an ice skating rink with a room temperature set at 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Whatā€™s the point of going? I just try to look at like if it occurs, we have a lot less time to win souls. If we are still here, then that means that those people falling for the Great Awakening would have a shot at the rapture. At that point i would be pretty fearless. We donā€™t have much to lose at that point. We would be going home very shortlyā€¦and perhaps a mini harvest fest or opportunity with not just people that get duped by a Great Awakening but all those people who would be pretty lost wondering what to make of things. I mean Gigi, if it really goes down that wayā€¦there will be plenty of people disenfranchised. Maybe even suicidal. Not everyone is New Age or conservative. Some will see their very reality melt in front of them. I think i would be more focused on those types than those that want me to partake in some universal Jesus. But you knowā€¦just in case it goes down like that, there are a lot of New Agers that turned away from it to Christ and have testimonies on YT. It might be a good time for those of us that are not that familiar with New Age thought to check out some testimonies. The New Agers falling for the Great Awakening would be so under a spellā€¦believers would likely be their only hope. There would not be a lot of time left. Your hermeneutic is your beautiful heart. Blessings.

PS ā€“ I understand Gigi that it seems like human reasoning verses God being Holy. I hear you with that. I do. But that does not mean that our understanding of Holy and Just are His. For example, in Hosea God said He is not like us and used that to say that He is Holier than man. And what did that mean? That they got what they deserved? No. It meant they did not get what they deserved.

Hosea 11:9 9I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man - the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities.

When Christ died for us we know love because of that. He died while we did not deserve it. That is a holy act He did. And only He could do that.

I know that today the ā€œloveā€ of God is thrown around a lot. And some people just sin like crazy and donā€™t care and think they are saved when they are not. But why was Moses kept out of the promised land? It was because he was to speak to the rock. Not strike it yelling ā€œyou rebels.ā€ Why was that bad? Because Christ was the rock. And that was a holy moment for God to demonstrate Christ to the people. Not Mosesā€™s schoolmaster frustration with them. It was not a time for Christ to say, ā€œLook, punk, you suck, but Iā€™m just gonna die this one time for you. You donā€™t deserve it you piece of trash. But Iā€™m gonna do it, because Iā€™m better than you.ā€ lol. That is not how the cross went down. So Moses was kept out of the promised land for showing God like that to the people. It was not for Moses to show people Christ. It was for God to. So even very holy menā€¦can overly humanize Godā€™s holiness.

Numbers 20:10-12
Then Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly in front of the rock, and Moses said to them, ā€œListen now, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?ā€ 11Then Moses raised his hand and struck the rock twice with his staff, so that a great amount of water gushed out, and the congregation and their livestock were able to drink. 12But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, ā€œBecause you did not trust Me to show My holiness in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this assembly into the land that I have given them.ā€ā€¦

God will judge the world with 7 horrifying years. And Gigi, you may be right, it may start of brutal or super strangely deception. If you were to think the 1st seal was AC or deception just 100 years agoā€¦theyā€™d be telling you that you sounded humanistic. And theyā€™d have hundreds of years of proof that the church believed that the 1st seal was good. By their standards they would see you as a heretic. But I am not saying that. Just saying it is good to process these things. Because I agree with you Gigi. It could go down as the 1st seal being the 7 year agreement with Israel. And we wontā€™ see that at all. I believe that could be the case. Amen. I think with the way things are going it will likely go a different way. But I am open for anything. Trump does not have to be the 1st seal. Lolā€¦Iā€™ll be hurt if heā€™s not, but Iā€™ll get over it. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: I just think it good to consider other ways of looking at things since none of us know for sure. Not for setting us up for deception, but for discussion.

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