Yahoo. Hi Gigi. My precious sister. Always great to hear from you. Ok so lets start here:
By the way, thanks so much to take the time to care. It means a lot. You have much skin in this game. Well…not a game…but i just mean that this is an area where much of your heart and soul had been invested and having heart now and concern for those who might be sucked into something you have had first hand experience of knowing about. I really don’t have that vantage point. Plus you have stated recently that you do have friends in NAR that you still try and witness to. That is awesome. For what clarity it might provide, I was a charismatic for the first 3 years of believing. And have been now a cessationist for over 20 years. Several years ago a heard about Mark Taylor and the some Trump prophecy. This was when I was thinking Trump was the AC. So it just all seemed bizarre. I heard like 5 minutes of Mark and then noticed he was trying to explain why a prophecy did not come to pass…lol. So yeah that was about the extent of my exposure to NAR. Well back in the day when I was charismatic, I though Ken Copeland was legit. But I have not thought that since being a charismatic.
When I say that I don’t believe in the great awakening, what I mean is that I am not looking for that or consider it a “thing.” That is what the New Age is looking for. All the Great Awakening means to me is like a “trip wire,” to look for other things going on. I don’t believe in it like you don’t believe it. But in how you expressed it, you seem to think one might occur. And in that way I would agree of that possibility. Yes, that something like the New Age thinking the next level of human advancement has come and bla bla bla. So thinking that phenomenon occurs where New Agers claim it as human enlightenment might happen, which is why you would be concerned if it goes down that way. It may not at all. Trump might get bumped off or something…we don’t know. Or the middle east just totally lose its mind and America sinks into quicksand along with Trump and the horizon of the tribulation comes upon us. Or, New Agers claim a Great Awakening occurs because conservatives are taking the country back. At this point, I really don’t know which way it will go. Personally i think if America becomes strong again it will bring the rapture a lot faster because to me that likely might be the 1st seal. But if Ez 38 comes first, it might take a while to rapture because we have to wait for peace again and then the world losing its peace again after Ez 38. Thay could take years. I am interested in rapturing sooner. If we are on the cusp of the 1st seal and my take on that is valid, then we could go before any of us sees it. Or at it or just as perhaps a retaliation punch of seal 2 (possibly Ez 38 strikes back) and we rapture just before that as JD would think…as the bombs go down, we go up.
The explanation I gave Violet about the Great Awakening was that I see that as a marker…not as a New Age thing to claim. I think if it goes that way…yeah…the New Agers will claim it. But I don’t believe it is what they think it is. And when we throw that term around, I have never heard of it used for the 21st century as revival for the church. So yeah, I don’t believe in that. I don’t believe we should even look for that. That is not something the church should be looking for. But Violet asked how i see it differently. Like how can I see the 1st seal good if there is a twisted Great Awakening attached to it. So I showed that i look at the term and concept as a marker on God’s calendar…not New Agers. That is of course if that is even accurate or that things even go in that direction. So I guess I should say I don’t believe in the Great Awakening like the New Agers do. I guess that might be more accurate. But to me, it is not being more straight forward because if that thing happens then I would be thinking “Ok, so if this gets apocalyptical, and America really comes back strong and Trump overcomes the deep state, yeah…then I would be thinking this is the first seal not knowing how much time we might have until the second seal.” Because if we were still here then, I would not see the church staying here for seal 2. I would not know if that is years or if that is days. The Great Awakening would not be something I would really be thinking about beyond a newspaper headline. And of course something to evangelize for Christ and salvation. Not for some universal Christ. But for the one who died on a cross for sinners not to become enlightened but to repent and turn to Him. I would use the Great Awakening to turn people toward Christ like “The God that is allowing this level of justice is about to destroy the earth. You don’t have very long. Now is the time to believe.” So yeah I guess if we look at it that way I would say I believe that the Great Awakening, should something like that occur, be a spring board to share the gospel just like if someone brings up that they are a religious and go to mass every week. Its like an opening to talk about Christ. But i would be not be all like, “Wow, isn’t this awesome…maybe we will find out how to live for 500 years or something since it seems like God is granting us such a golden age.” I mean I am not looking for that. If the Great Awakening occurs, all that means is they have 7 years to not enjoy it. That is a an ice skating rink with a room temperature set at 120 degrees Fahrenheit. What’s the point of going? I just try to look at like if it occurs, we have a lot less time to win souls. If we are still here, then that means that those people falling for the Great Awakening would have a shot at the rapture. At that point i would be pretty fearless. We don’t have much to lose at that point. We would be going home very shortly…and perhaps a mini harvest fest or opportunity with not just people that get duped by a Great Awakening but all those people who would be pretty lost wondering what to make of things. I mean Gigi, if it really goes down that way…there will be plenty of people disenfranchised. Maybe even suicidal. Not everyone is New Age or conservative. Some will see their very reality melt in front of them. I think i would be more focused on those types than those that want me to partake in some universal Jesus. But you know…just in case it goes down like that, there are a lot of New Agers that turned away from it to Christ and have testimonies on YT. It might be a good time for those of us that are not that familiar with New Age thought to check out some testimonies. The New Agers falling for the Great Awakening would be so under a spell…believers would likely be their only hope. There would not be a lot of time left. Your hermeneutic is your beautiful heart. Blessings.
PS – I understand Gigi that it seems like human reasoning verses God being Holy. I hear you with that. I do. But that does not mean that our understanding of Holy and Just are His. For example, in Hosea God said He is not like us and used that to say that He is Holier than man. And what did that mean? That they got what they deserved? No. It meant they did not get what they deserved.
Hosea 11:9 9I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man - the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities.
When Christ died for us we know love because of that. He died while we did not deserve it. That is a holy act He did. And only He could do that.
I know that today the “love” of God is thrown around a lot. And some people just sin like crazy and don’t care and think they are saved when they are not. But why was Moses kept out of the promised land? It was because he was to speak to the rock. Not strike it yelling “you rebels.” Why was that bad? Because Christ was the rock. And that was a holy moment for God to demonstrate Christ to the people. Not Moses’s schoolmaster frustration with them. It was not a time for Christ to say, “Look, punk, you suck, but I’m just gonna die this one time for you. You don’t deserve it you piece of trash. But I’m gonna do it, because I’m better than you.” lol. That is not how the cross went down. So Moses was kept out of the promised land for showing God like that to the people. It was not for Moses to show people Christ. It was for God to. So even very holy men…can overly humanize God’s holiness.
Then Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly in front of the rock, and Moses said to them, “Listen now, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11Then Moses raised his hand and struck the rock twice with his staff, so that a great amount of water gushed out, and the congregation and their livestock were able to drink. 12But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust Me to show My holiness in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this assembly into the land that I have given them.”…
God will judge the world with 7 horrifying years. And Gigi, you may be right, it may start of brutal or super strangely deception. If you were to think the 1st seal was AC or deception just 100 years ago…they’d be telling you that you sounded humanistic. And they’d have hundreds of years of proof that the church believed that the 1st seal was good. By their standards they would see you as a heretic. But I am not saying that. Just saying it is good to process these things. Because I agree with you Gigi. It could go down as the 1st seal being the 7 year agreement with Israel. And we wont’ see that at all. I believe that could be the case. Amen. I think with the way things are going it will likely go a different way. But I am open for anything. Trump does not have to be the 1st seal. Lol…I’ll be hurt if he’s not, but I’ll get over it. I just think it good to consider other ways of looking at things since none of us know for sure. Not for setting us up for deception, but for discussion.