September 17, 2023: Bible Prophecy Update -- Just Wait For The Lord

A refreshingly “Sound Biblical Article” … aaahhhh… breath in the fresh air, minus the pervading hype that surrounds us.

Worth reading, doctrinally pure, and spiritually uplifting. Nowadays, it’s getting harder and harder, rarer and rarer, to find. :slight_smile:


Well it is the 19th -almost 4 pm here - almost the end of feast of trumpets and we are still here - :frowning: ok back to waiting - it is in the Fathers timing and He knows best "……. But I was hoping we would be out of here by today - prayers for all our brothers and sisters in Christ - MARANATHA


Thank you Michael. May The Lord Bless you as well!
Constant prayer for one another and the lost loved ones in our lives is most important these days. I know it may still be a long way off but certainly hope its not. But I know for the lost it critical for us to still be here. Lets all keep each lifted up! Continued blessings to you my friend.


I have heard them state He works for the government, I have heard many wild things that have not happened. And yes he is not just talking but has something to say I just have this questioning thing when I listen to him.

I find it odd that he would say the things he does if he is working for the government because he seems to expose them in some ways. Unless he is giving misinformation. I could be completely wrong. I moved in and out watching them for a while then moved on…

My thing is if the really wilder things they said were coming and now have not I don’t want to put the time into it. But saying that, if something big does come to pass then I would reevaluate my thinks for sure.

Anyway, I still thank you for sharing maybe I should check them out again it’s been a long time.



Thank you Dan & Teren for your kind-heartedness you have shown. Y’all have tender & loving hearts. We can see Jesus in you


Awesome Uturn. I concur. Your passion and concern are super valid. Ok, so this may not go over so well here…lol…but it might beat singing your praises. We know what that can tend to do. I don’t know if many are familiar with the movie the Dark Knight. There is actually a fascinating principle that has kind of stuck with me since 2008. A principle I have violated in my own life even knowing it. It didn’t go so well. I’d like to share it in hopes it can resinate on some level here. Because, as you say Uturn, we don’t know how long forum access or online for that matter may be all that available.

The scene in this movie is about 5 minutes for any interested. Its the scene of entrapment. Where the Joker ties guns to hostastages hands in firiing position while they are tied to posts throughout a hirise having clown masks pulled tightly over their gagged mouths. The concept is to have the FBI raid the building and kill the innocent hostages. Batman has to thrwart the FBI army from killing the innocent.

YET HOME SWEET HOME (context context context)
The people on our forum come here to fellowship in sorting out whatever the heck might be going on. They come to a place to worship deeply in their hearts toward Him in likely our last hours and some form of His grand finale (however long it may take). The people on our forum, don’t come to decieve. Maybe some yeah from time to time…but normally they are weeded out over time.

It is clear we need people to rise to the level of deep study and deep challenges to all the spiritual mayhem in our world today. And i totally agree Uturn, those who forsake sound approaches to His word do cause great harm in the body. I believe brother your heart is in the totally right place there. But with so much confusion around us (and deception), it is bound to leak in. Ok, yeah somtimes imported. But this forum has been afforded to belong to the community that houses it. Its not any one of ours alone. So we come collectively. And in that, it just makes sound and sober sense to have the same level of passion we have for purity in His word in how we all are maturing saints in Him might find being of the same mind somewhere…even if we won’t agree everywhere.

I am not talking about siding with unsound doctrine. It is totally fine in our forum decorum for any of us to come forth with our passion in His word. But since this is our community we can continue to go down the road of clash between (A) those dear saints in their sense of searching, inquiry, and desire to share and get feed back to develop in ways some here, even mature, may not be able to meet or know how to for some (just the reality). And in the intension of those who lean toward a liberty in Christ to celebrate these days the best they know how (and this forum arena affords them that) will consider the use of our forum a platform to express and share in this way (and this forum allows for them to do so). And (B) those who have a much deeper passion and possible clarity on a number of matters in the word, prophesy, and maybe even station in life (having become seasoned).

We can continue to go down a road of a clash and keep experiencing a contrast of these two general groupings. And likely things will be done and get done to a degree. Group A will praise and sojourn. And group B will assert and proclaim. Both in their own measure esteeming Him in their hearts. Look, we can just leave it there. It still comes with tension and strife to a degree. But hey i guess we will make that work. We’ll just have to. But is that the more “excellent way?” And if not of import to find a more excellent way from both sides in our hour such as this…what might that suggest about that stewardship that could have been?

In that video scene, to me, the way i am using it, if some are rejoicing well enough in their hearts but may have exposure to wrong think along the way…ok…we could say to a degree some might be captured in some things that might not be the real (even though I totally believe saints who rejoice in Christ in what things could have symbolic sense for them be a way of rejoicing in Him). Some ate meat sacrificed to idols. They were fine because they knew the truth. For the weak, that was not the truth. In this, one thing we may not want to do in our strength is mirror the weak. If someone watches a video that has some potnetially off things and yet in their heart rejoice to God in the things that are about Him to that person praising God. Wkat is that to do you? To God His servant stands.

On the other hand, I do believe those given to a more exploring heart in some things others would not find meaningful, could give more grace, amen, to those in our forum that might have studied more, and given much heart and soul to things researched with much time and care. Amen. But if group A is (in our minds lets say) metaphorically already in some form of hostage…would we think the answer for that is being for them a hostage of anather cause? Not that those focused hottly on His word would provide an arena of hostage. But that it would still be on the perceived mature to provide an appeal worthy of the grace those in safari mode woud consider worthy. Not that the mature are held hostage. But they could be by themselves needlessly possibly so, their own hostage of sorts. There by the grace go any of us.

You guys its end times. If the Corinthian church could devise law courts so they don’t go sueing each other before the world majestrates, surely we can work to employ Epheisans 4:16 on a Christian forum in the midst of our last hour. And that would take all of us willing to work at that. Feet, eyes, hands, noses, etc. If we are not willing to concieve of such a thing at such a late hour, well, I pray we might consider to…is my point.

Do good especially to the household of God (here). Galatians 6:10. Not necesarily our percieved garden variety sense of what is good for someone. But just that. What is good (James 3:17). These aformentioned verses were “prophesied” too. But this takes all of us moving that way, imperfectingly…but if we do it would bring His supernatural power most profoundly here, i believe. And we all kind of want that, right? I would want that. Far more than who is right or who is wrong. If we can make that our aim while holding on to our core convictions and play them out in His greater context “end times”…I cannot see how the Lord Himself would not bless that. And in that we say what we need to, but in a realm that transcends ourselves and our neighbors. “But God” does not have to be some event on a prophesy timeline…it can be us. Right here. Right now. Do we want it? Do we believe?

In this i find it pacularly interesting that upon the notice of the withered fig tree, Christ’s response was what? You punks need sound doctrine or your going down? No. It was: Matt 21

18 Now in the early morning, when He was returning to the city, He became hungry. 19 And seeing a lone fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it except leaves alone; and He *said to it, “No longer shall there ever be any fruit from you.” And at once the fig tree withered.

20 Seeing this, the disciples were amazed and [g]asked, “How did the fig tree wither all at once?” 21 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. 22 And whatever you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive it all.”

So we are satisfied with leaving JDF in some way/form like an unbelieving Israel condition of sorts or in contrast? Or do we want to move this mountian? Its a pretty darn good season to move mountains i’d say.

Having said all that, Uturn I believe you belong here. And I’m really glad you are. You have much to offer. But in this way, so do we all…because of all this. Because of what this is. And because of Him.

“OH ABSALOM,” SAID THE PROPHET KING (Paslms being prophecy)
Like I said, I concur with your concerns. Amen. AND Amen. Truly brother. But those in this household of God are those in the houshold of God. Those you have concern with from platforms and videos, yes, some are problematic. Others very problematic. But there is a difference between people in the household of God striving or rejoicing in Him and those who are not held accountable that produce all manner of things that are off. JDF is not their courtroom. But it is our family and home to refresh in Him. There are differences. And in as much as you have angst in your spirit even as Paul when he came to Athens (Acts 17:16), what you professed to reply was those not held accountable out there. They will be held to account. But the household of God does not have to be the place to do it. Surely that does not mean eh, throw out that patient longsuffering gentle junk, we got some fire to call out of heaven to be about with our homeboys James and John (Luke 9:54). Yet, the centrality of how to hopefully make this a better place for all was kind of met with how those outside need to be held accountable. I don’t know if you have ever read the classic, “A Tale of Three Kings.” How David would not appose Absalom. Priceless. Maybe hopefull as somewhat of corner stone of house buidling too…maybe.

We can keep going on like this. And we know the results. I just believe we can make it more real as the word encourages us to exell still more. I am very blessed you responded and for your response. They will be held accountable. Psalm 73. Believe…i guess is what i’m saying. Thanks for taking wow such time to read all this. Blessings.

The Dark Knight | 05 | Batman saves the Hostages - YouTube


There are peeps who consider David Jeremiah dangerous to flock. The upside down cross in the eye of providence for starters (but i digress). I had the grace to visit his church. Where ever the man’s heart is…that day…that sermon…wow. God transcended. In his sermon he told a story of working on a jigsaw puzzle with his son or daughter i forget. They were almost done by late in the evening. Except for one piece. They could not find it. One piece. The son/daughter lifted up this and that and over here and over there. Then looked sternly at Daivd. "Dad, lift up your foot.’ Sometimes yeah we are standing on the puzzle piece we are looking for. The value of that sermon, the impact…the evermore reaching echoes throughought the chambers of all my years since 2010, a gentle haunt. Blessing.s


We are in the year 2023-2024 which is a Jubilee year. Listen to the video below to understand what happens in the Day of Atonement in a Jubilee year. It’s all in Leviticus 25:8-9.

Please look up Leviticus 25:9

“Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭25‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I have no idea which day this Day of Atonement will fall on, but the Lord surely knows it. It’s one of His appointments!


You have informed me of nothing.

If you have issue with “any” of the points made or taught in the article, you are welcome to your own opinion.

The article is not by David Jeremiah, nor is it by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., both of whom I do not promote to anyone. Yet both are quoted (among others) in this article.

Even some teachers and pastors I do not promote, or that may even be false teachers, sometimes get things right. That’s part of the way the enemy lures people in, the “skin of the truth, stuffed with a lie.”

That isn’t the case with the references in this article.

So your point is moot. As is your “story”.

I am more than aware, of David Jeremiah’s “issues”.
There are many.

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Brother I am not against you or others by any stretch of the imagination it seems we both are passionate maybe a bit to much at times but I believe we both and a few others are missing the mark in our conversations.

It seems our swordplay needs to be used as it was intended to sharpen Iron I can see it at times does, but then other times not so much. There is no one to blame but the enemy and we all need to keep that in mind all of the time.

Obviously the LORD is trying to open our eyes to the lateness of the hour and we do need to remember.

While I don’t see BRICS as THE 10 kings it does seem they are key or instrumental in putting “The 10 kings” into place. It seems “The 10 kings” need opposition to show they are needed and many might rally behind them in opposition to the BRICS and will be given much power and support to do so.

I believe this understanding still needs time to reveal what is going on behind the scenes.

We can see this has changed the paradigm of the old world order as needed by Satan now needs to use fear to build up “The 10 kings” we are looking for.

I am still waiting to see how Ty Green looks at the EU in all of this, this is where I don’t see his understanding stay together.

That is where we are as far as I can see things. But he will not tarry at least as men understand it.

I agree and that’s why we need to have more compassion on others that may be under more pressure than ourselves or just more than they can handle from their point of view. We need to stand with them I for one am strengthened when I stand with others in Christ even if they have little else in common except Christ.

Some have endured so much more than others can see, some have been strengthened by this others are need our help to be strengthened.


There is a time for everything this is the time the Body must come together, that does not mean we sacrifice truth but we do not use truth to divide us in an unbiblical way.

If this be true then it is of Elohim let it be so its better to let them place themselves in that position and others to learn from it.

I can see some fall away from watching, if so maybe they are looking for an excuse. But most are not going to let this rocky part of the course give up but if encouraged may grow stronger because of the effort to keep moving forward if they are encouraged to keep watching and learning and growing.

Like the lady said, what did you think the end times would look like? This should be the part of the race course we help each other cross the finish line together, that only happens with Love.



Thanks for sharing even so I stopped watching him years back. I forget now what triggerd my distrust maybe his ecumentical leanings I can’t remember.

Apparently it was enough I still move on past when I hear him. Either way he is a great and gifted teacher to many.


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Agreed, and even some we may promote as you say may sometimes get things wrong yet they MAY still both be part of the same body.


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I can see that scene being setup up now all over the world.


Good tack on the facts.

Wouldn’t that be wonderful yet not attainable on this side of life or is it?

Leaving it there tends to diminish the forum and the purpose of the forum.

Amen we all are called to this higher calling. Not possible is it, but God moment me thinks.

There are many off color things in scripture, yet needed to see the full story being created. Or the tapistry is never as pretty on the back side where it must be woven together.

Good take on this situation.

You must have stayed up late on this brother. I see your heart showing His heart in you.

OK, where was this translated from… lol

Amen brother, we are all in this and should be as one best as possible even if its a work in progress.

It’s so easy to pull the trigger yet as believers even though I fail often in this, we need to choose to take a moment to explain the issues instead of just trying to remove by force and except the collateral damage and full speed ahead.

Yep, I believe you shall need to rest a while after this post, good vision and understanding for me anyway.

You do understand Batman is the least of all the super heros but I guess its because he is all Human correct?

Thanks for giving it your best brother. I have taken your words to heart and will search my own heart in this.


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I believe this at times stems from unable to accurately determine emotions in text. Passion is sometimes mistaken for anger and times when you have those who feels strongly about a certain topic
it leads to what is deemed as unfavorable discourse among the individuals engaged.

Where I 100% agree here is that the enemy is seeking to divide in any way shape or form, especially places where believers congregate. I’m seeing this outside the forums (alluding to other things). The goal is simple, to prevent end times knowledge from being distributed in a way that would motivate others to reach the lost for Christ in the final hours. This is why I would never propose to shutdown the forum in any way, shape or form - despite at times the heated exchanges that will sometimes arise.

The enemy has his agents waiting in the darkness to sow division or shut down the forum the second the opportunity arises.

The gears here are in motion. If we look at the secular view regarding BRICS, it is being looked at a
union to promote de-dollarization or a new petro-currency to rival or replace the petro dollar. This would technically threaten the U.S. economic dominance on the world stage going forward.

There is far more to this topic, but it is for perhaps another time.

Indeed these are the end times, and the final stretch could get even harder. There is no doubt many are experiencing hardship. Some are more vocal about it than others. Several making me out to be the enemy is fruitless. Labeling me a mocker when I am a strict defender of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (and Rapture in general) isn’t beneficial. I’m certainly not hiding behind any curtains.

Amen - and it applies to everyone.



I agreed it’s seems this is a drawback of the technology and our use it.
This place is like a watering hole in the desert, one must always keep watch. And yes, we must it seems may need to have a herd mentality but in Christ as His body protecting and warning our brethren in Love.

So true and we know the enemy can come in many forms like a lion or a bunny rabbit. And either can be just as dangerous as one type does not fool all. That’s also our strength as we have many eyes in this spiritual body to see.

It appears October may be a most pivotal economic awakening and klaus is mounting up his followers against all rebels today.

Agreed, but in my opinion I don’t think it’s your doctrine as I rarely disagree with your understanding of last days. And I believe most would agree with you on pre-tribulation so that is not so much the issue either.

The most important thing is we can be much stronger as a more unified force and we are called to be for such a time as this.

John 17:21
Prayer for all Believers
20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…

May the Lord’s prayer be fulfilled in this place.

By the way when Teren and I 1st crossed paths we used our swords against each other for at least 6 months. That is until others and ourselves saw we were being used against each other. But then I got him straight :joy:and now he and I keep our weapons for the “most part” at our sides or away from each other Lol…

Amen Brother


September 20, 2023

Today’s Verse

“You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.” - Luke 24:48-49 NIV


The first thing I learned from the Bible League’s church planting training 18 years ago was “vision.” I learned how I should understand my vision for what God wants me to do in the place He has called me. Since that day, it has been a long battle to keep the vision.

Vision helps you to stay on track, not to lose your way, not to lose time and, in the end, to get to the finish line. Jesus, as He’s leaving His disciples, helps them start their journey, giving them direction! You are witnesses of mine, and you will be able to be my witnesses when you have been clothed with power from on high, until then you wait. Again, in Acts 1:4-8 He makes sure that they really understand that they have to wait to be equipped so they can fulfill the vision He has for them. What happens next we can all read in Acts chapters 2 and 3. After they are clothed with power, their testimony of Jesus Christ has the power to change lives.

There are so many lessons we get from these verses and chapters, we can write books and explain theology for centuries to come, but the simple reminder I get makes me stay on the track of that first lesson. We all have our visions, for life, for ministry, work, education. But is our vision walking with God’s vision. Are our visions to testify to Jesus? Or have our own visions have taken over God’s vision? Are we still in the building of God’s kingdom or are we laboring for our own kingdom - denominational glory, our organization’s glory, our church’s glory?

Matthew 28:19 reminds us that we are sent, equipped, and trusted to “make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit;” but it does not say we are to make workers, students, protocols and procedures, movements, and networks that work for their own glory. As the body of Christ, we must be in one mind, one vision in the power of the Holy Spirit, testifying to the resurrected Christ to lost souls.


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An a - wow ……thank you I didn’t know this will study up on this - thank you …. As we wait for our Blessed Hope - MARANATHA


I’m sure most if not all of us are waiting for the trumpet to sound and hear the words, “Come up here!” Recently I have been thinking much about our heavenly home. The Lord had me create a Facebook group called Hope of Heaven. Every day I post a heavenly scripture, a quote from a Christian pastor/teacher/writer, and a video/article/post from persons such as Randy Alcorn, Billy Graham, Jack Hibbs, etc. The sole purpose of this group is to encourage the believers and magnify Jesus and His heavenly kingdom. I do not make any profits or sell names. Here is the link: (20+) Hope of Heaven | Facebook


As mentioned prior this conflict wouldn’t last long (less than 24 hours). Another step in the right direction. Also as expected, regional powers would not be drawn into this.