We are supposed to pray for the president?

I just can’t. I walked through the living room, and the tv was on…there’s Biden blabbing in his annoying nasal voice…blah, blah blah, shots in the arm, blah blah blah…shots in the arm, etc…he just disgusts me :confused:

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removed my comments, because Jon said it better. I want his to stand out.

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I totally get both you and Alison’s stance. I agree that it’s difficult to remember Ephesians stating we are not fighting flesh and blood but spiritual darkness. We see what these people say, and especially do and we see the contempt, we see the hypocrisy, and we see the deceit and wickedness that they perpetuate. We scream at the top of our lungs “HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT SEE THE EVIL THAT IS HAPPENING?!” And it falls on deaf ears and blind eyes. To us. We see people who have lived their whole life in a society that they could get whatever they wanted, and turn around now in their 20’s, 30’s and even 70’s and proclaim they want socialism ways over the ways they had where you could buy luxury items such as art and not feel guilty about spending money needed for food, or heat, or a roof over your head. Now? Some of these same people argue that it’s not their fault, it’s the opposition and continually proclaim “We’ll make it work this time.”

This is where I stand and my view may be wrong. But God did inspire in 1 Timothy 2:1-4

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sigh[t] of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I pray and I believe we are meant to pray for our leaders to make sound judgements, and listen to sound judgement. To bless them with guidance to the truth, to Christ. We need to pray for them, just as we pray for our enemies. That’s hard to do. And remember, God allows good and bad leaders to rule over a people. This nation, while we love it and stand for it…it’s fallen low in recent decades and you don’t think it’s possible, but the people find new ways of going lower and lower. We pray for those who do wrong to us, we pray for an entire Nation that God will deliver it from evil. In order for that to happen, we need to pray our leaders get their heads out of their hindsides and look up to the Heavens for Guidance that will bring forth good fruit and not revile us with rotten-to-the-core fruit.

Even though we’re damned for being Christians in the eyes of those who refuse to believe, or refuse to accept difference, while claiming to champion difference of opinion and thought (kinda funny how irony can be pretty ironic at times), we need to pray for them just as anyone else.

What’s one of our missions? To bring as many people to Christ as possible? No cherry-picking on this one. Think back to when we pray for our enemies for the first few times. It’s unbearable to do. We at some point go from praying the Lord will break their teeth and make them swallow their tongues through lies and deceit, to finally praying the Lord bless them with guidance out of their prisons and into the open arms of Christ…and even further along. I haven’t gotten past the last stage mentioned.

Just like praying to God, it shouldn’t be a got to, or have to, but a get to. If you can’t do it yet, don’t do it, but at some point, lower that wall and Pray the Lord to bless this administration with guidance to the truth and to make just decisions and laws and galvanize them with protection from the enemy. From the Devil and from wickedness in high places. May the truth wash over them in waves like a Tsunami or a Rogue wave washing away the corruption and tarnished brass to clean it to pure and original luster.

We’re better than the fleshly thoughts and emotions that hold those who are not saved from doing the right thing. Even some who are not saved, do the right thing. And think of this. We’re fighting that spiritual battle. There are those on the “other side” that are praying we don’t pray for our leaders and allow the wickedness they revel in to continue.

Don’t think I’m shaming anyone because I’ve been there too and especially with this administration and even that Congressman/Pastor who ended the opening prayer with “Amen and awomen”. THAT took a lot to pray that he would be given a good talkin’ to by God for what he did. I don’t know if that happened, or if he listened, but…we pray for all, not the selected not elected. :wink:

Love you guys. And yes, hearing him and knowing he’s the acting Commander-n-Chief…it’s sickening to think and even hear. But it is what it is and God allowed it for a purpose and I think it’s to wake up a ton of people and allow them to have what they want so the timeline of the Bible prophesy would continue to come true.

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Awwww, yours was what I stared with. I liked it. Sorry you deleted it.

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lol thanks! I see what you mean. it’s still available through the pencil icon if someone is curious. just felt you covered my sentiments plus more :]

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I know what you mean! It honestly disgusts me to look into the faces of evil.

but then I remember that God placed him there for His purpose and when I pray it is for God’s Will to be done,

not for the success of the evil these creatures do.

Daniel 4:17 … “the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people.’”

When I look at the people in charge I see them like the lowliest of people.

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Definitely can wrap my head around this thinking, I pray as Jesus did, Jesus dropped to his knees and prayed
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“Father, not my will , but yours be done.”**

I also remember something I learned in AA years ago, " you don’t have to like, who you have to love."

Doc

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The boastful cannot stand in your sight; you hate all evildoers. Psalm 5:5 (CSB)

The LORD examines the righteous, but he hates the wicked and those who love violence. Psalm 11:5 (CSB)

You must not follow the statutes of the nations I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and I abhorred them. Leviticus 20:23 (CSB)

The LORD hates six things; in fact, seven are detestable to him: arrogant eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked schemes, feet eager to run to evil, a lying witness who gives false testimony, and one who stirs up trouble among brothers. Proverbs 6:16-19 (CSB)

All their evil appears at Gilgal, for there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my house because of their evil, wicked actions. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious. Hosea 9:15 (CSB)

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So then, what about these verses?
The boastful cannot stand in your sight; you hate all evildoers. Psalm 5:5 (CSB)

The LORD examines the righteous, but he hates the wicked and those who love violence. Psalm 11:5 (CSB)

You must not follow the statutes of the nations I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and I abhorred them. Leviticus 20:23 (CSB)

The LORD hates six things; in fact, seven are detestable to him: arrogant eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked schemes, feet eager to run to evil, a lying witness who gives false testimony, and one who stirs up trouble among brothers. Proverbs 6:16-19 (CSB)

All their evil appears at Gilgal, for there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my house because of their evil, wicked actions. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious. Hosea 9:15 (CSB)

Matt. 5:44
But I say unto you[JESUS], Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

EPH.2:9 AMP :mega:
“not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].”

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Personally I consider that when we make a point of withholding prayer we are effectively issuing a judgement against those deprived of our prayer.

As we know Christ had much to say on judging, for He alone is worthy (Revelation 5).

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy;
James 4:12

Naturally I acknowledge this is easy to type and not so easy to typify…But God.

In Christ

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Yes, I know those verses also, but what do you make of the ones I posted where God hates evildoers?..it doesn’t say he hates the sin, but loves the sinner, like we hear from the pulpits ?
I hope someone will try to comment on those verses…I’ve wondered about them forever. I’ve never heard one mentioned in a church though.

Hope you find what your looking for. I think my scriptures would have helped, but guess not. Blessings to you.
Doc :wink:

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I just read the verses you listed and did a word search for the original meaning of words for hate and abhorred, it means hate and loathes.

Not sure of your point though. Are you saying that there is no salvation for those who through their actions caused God to say He hated or abhorred them?

The first thought I had was that these were all in the Old Testament, before Jesus purchased our salvation by His death , all that repent and believe on Him for their Salvation shall be saved.

Given Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross God has made peace with us through Jesus Christ.

If I totally missed your point please let me know.

Blessings

No, I wasn’t really trying to make a point…just wondering about those verses, if they should be taken as read, or if there was something amiss in the translations? Lately, I’ve been finding out that some of the common teachings I’ve always believed and have been taught, were actually twisted to fit what sounded right to man. Since His thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways higher than ours, I believe that whatever He does is right and just, even if it doesn’t seem so to me right now. It will make sense when we are face to face.
When I was young, I remember sayings like “God helps those who help themselves”…and “cleanliness is next to godliness”…silly things that I thought were scriptures!..those two are bad examples, but I will need some time to remember some others, a little more subtle…that were twisting scriptures to fit man’s sense of right and wrong.

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I remember those sayings also! :+1:

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@1jewel Your answer is in this truth, pray that God open the eyes of your heart to it dear sister, as @Saved-by-Grace said these scriptures posted, are in the Old Covenant . We are in the New. Some theologians divided the bible into periods of time, called dispensations, one of which is “Grace.” All of these divisions are important to God’s plan and tell what leads up to the coming of the Messiah (promised deliverer) and even after :heavy_heart_exclamation:

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Lol…I completely understand. Just remember, God loves Biden too and right now he’s lost and very deceived. And unfortunately so is so much of this Nation.
So, I pray not only for Biden but for America, that evil continue to be exposed…that way we (the remnant) can pray it out.
Use the most powerful name of Jesus to rebuke and bind the demonic spirits attacking this country…from our President to our own homes. May God bless us and have mercy on us all!

Just a side note: back in 2020, summertime before the election, I had a brief dream about Biden.
I was looking at a poster, as if it was hanging on the wall. It was that typical pose of Biden standing and smiling in his suit. Lining the right side of the poster were images of hands. They were all a transparent whitish color with the exception of a hand in the middle…it was gray.
The Lord then said that he was “sanctified”, so I knew that meant he would be our next prez…
I’m not a Biden fan but I know that there are forces behind him “pulling his strings”. He’s being controlled by evil but more than that, since the Lord said Biden was sanctified, that means this is all part of Gods great and mysterious plan!
I think that knowledge is what helps to get me through it all.
I’m praying for us all!

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Yes we have to pray for all men. We were also sinners and lost. If we have changed it’s probably someone prayed for us…

You can also pray globally for men of powers.

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But I thought the Bible says that He changes not?..I don’t like those verses I asked about… but it’s not about what I like or what I wish they meant, imo. I am studying this along with lots of other things I was taught & think I am understanding some of the difficult verses a little better…but they only makes sense in the light of another biblical doctrine I’ve come to see as true…, but it’s one that most men hate…so I’ll just leave it to home study :)… thanks for the replies though.:heart: