December 17, 2023: Topical Study - The Devil's World

Hi brother. I hope your Christmas was really great. The way I would kind of look at the Netflix movie is yeah like a heads up for all the reasons the NWO puts so much heart into it. In some ways, they are likely convinced by the their lies as the makeshift thier own reatliy narrative to sell to the civilized world so as to weeve it into the contours of psyche and make it come to become reality. Yeah, I guess like “little (g)ods.”

With the Obama thing though, my take is that the Biden admin would need to kind of be ended before too much is investigated…because that trail will eventually lead to Clinton and Obama. Best to shut it down before then would be my sense on it. In the best world perspective, I would think Trump would like nothing more than Michele Obama to be in the running. I would imagine he has quite a bit to say about Obama. I’ll be surprised if Biden makes it to the November finish line. I believe in an interview, Trump also thinks the same. In general the way I kind of view the Trumpster is I guess like the passive bait approach.

What I mean by that is it would seem like the Trumpain style of political science is to have your opppenent do the things first. Like run things up the judicial pole to get rulings on things that if Trump did himself would look totalitarian. But if you escort your apponent through the legal hoops for them to do it, I believe that is a more clever strategy. like with his taxes. Make them go through rulings…which might make others now exposed. Or not finishing the border wall perhaps (all things considered) granted contrast to consider the alternative, open borders for a time. When he was elected in 2016, many were dissapointed he did not lock up Clinton. But years later in context, to me, it kind of makes sense that he did not make his presidency vendictive. Yet, Biden (as weaponized) does. Allowing your opponent to run that game up the political flagpole first seems to be somewhat the Trump style. If so, i would imagine an Obama run for 2024 would meet quite a potential undoing is my thinking. We’ll have to see. Blessings. :slight_smile:

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A man truly out of his element. A humble man. Good to see that Charlie Brown is still on T.V.

I have one of his sketch training books. Never opened it and used it, but bought it back in the early eighties to give to my girls. Never did.

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Hi Anca, I hope you had a wonderful Christmas dear sister. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the heads up on all those countries…wow. I was just thinking too though like what it might be like with voting in your country as far as you are able to tell. But if that is not something reasonable to share on social media, please, no worries if that is not something to get into, amen.

As you know, my perspective of globalism vs nationalism is different that most escatologically views. I would think 2024 to be a year to disclose quite a bit of that sort of tension. However, I see that things have been somewhat, to me, in slow motion, like running under water. When I think time frames might reveal this or that or do this or that…things usually drag on quite a bit longer…lol. So I guess I rack that up to God’s patience wanting none to parish. But also like give many many heads up for the world to have every chance not to remains here for the tribulation. It could also be a slow and inevitable deterioration that needs to be seen by all to possibly help people see the difference between what things used to be like and “do you really want to live here now?” kind of thing…perhaps. The general trajectory is that America will collapse. If that is the direction prior to the rapture, then it would make sense how something like that would serve the previously mentioned ends and general feelings.

Then of course there is my take. Which I still hold. But honestly Anca, I also get vibes that even if it might be closer to how I am looking at things, this slow motion thing could go on in waves for quite some time perhaps. So In a way, I might kind of lean that way (that it will take years)–which might make some of my views be rather much harder to see over time (like in the span of 2024 or even 2025). So I don’t really like that about it all. I mean yeah I am pretty ready to go myself. If there is a grand finale :butgod_dark: wrap up…that would be awesome to witness. But I would have thought and wanted things to move faster. After looking at it though seeing God’s gracious patience, I want whatever He wants I reckon.

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Just for the record though, I think this would be a helpful overview of my view in case it might have merit moving forward. Only God knows. We shall see. The best I have been able to see is that the world is in flux with globalism vs. nationalism. There is the WEC, UN, and NWO gunning for global reset and power grab of regions of the world. I believe there are a lot of things left for the NWO to have the kind of control we might believe they currently do. One reason I believe this is because of Catherine Austin Fitts. She worked with globalista and came out of their system and went off grid from them for a while. She sees them as struggling factions (as do I). Whereas I believe more of the end time view we have is that NWO is in control of most everything. So there is that difference.

In general here is what I would see:

I believe that Trump is not the swamp (although I must admit I do have my doubts sometimes…and I would be disappointed but not overly shocked if he gets elected and is just more of the same). I believe Trump’s first presidency was phase one of a 3 phase process.

  1. Get in office and wire America first agenda – Globalism wants America to fall in submission to world economics. NWO cant rule freely if America operates on any real sense of a genuine good faith constitution, having the economic and military power it has.

  2. Allow Election to be Stolen – This may sound fruity. But its not rocket science to see that RussiaGate was gunning for Trump–and 2020 would be a globalist absolutist grand theft of vote option (knowing your opposition well). The new administration would have to unplug the America first agenda and plug it back into globalism agenda (without the cover of doing it slowly over time ((like shipping all manufacturing jobs overseas)), or a lasting pandemic, or messy enough war). Plugging everything back in exposes huge gaping holes in globalist acumen ( pulling out of Afghanistan, ending massive oil drilling jobs, blowing up Russian pipeline, open border, and of course “pay for play” selling access to the white house). Only God can save America. I guess the question is…does He want to? If so it would likely be through “we the people” – the only true world government of the people for the people by the people–attempted. So we would all have to wise up. See the difference, and care not to become globalist droids.

  3. Come Back w/Contrast – As Trump would be exposing the election interference of Biden admin via all the court cases against him during an election year, and exposing the criminal syndicate in the white house and how its related to globalist regime as we get closer to November, the wares of the globalist regime will be on front street for all to see. In this scenario, it would have to mean the biggest election in American history with 100s of millions of votes to overwhelm a cheating system. Which currently is on track as there is no opposition to Trump…and its still pretty early. If this trajectory is correct, a Trump victory would likely mean a flushing of glolists agenda…and a strengthening of the Abraham Accords…which would bring extraordinary peace to the Middle East. And that’s why I think America does not tank. As America has protected Israel for decades…this would just be a super sized meal of that same theme…with steriods. I believe that is the likely inference for Israel to remember their God’s promise to give them rule with Him in the 1,000 year reign. For those that don’t believe in Israel, Ez 38.

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Well that is my little overview in a nutshell. If true something like that can take maybe even until 2030…or it could maybe be sooner. I would like to rapture in 2024. I really would…lol. But i believe peace and safety may take some time to play itself out. In that view, “peace and saftety” means wordly confidence aside from God, the 1st seal, and God’s final offer to Israel to rapture with the church before the 70th week–in my view. So it would simultanously be: (a) over confidence in the temporal and in men, (b) an act of God, (c) an offer for Israel not to go through the 70th week moments away. And in that view, America is really not about America anymore.

So just wanted to give you an idea of how i am looking at things. I try to keep an open mind which is why i like to hear from this forum and consider ways to hold my own rogue view accountable. I like to watch other videos like JD, Tom Hughes, Dr. Shiva, and An0maly. All of which are different in their views…but each share a “having not much to do with Trump” vibe. Because i think having alt views in oppostion to my own Is reasonable and helpful to keep my own leanings as honest as i can. I know this view is different than the theme of false light view. But i think the reason is “Israel.” With all the talk about Christian Nationalism, I see why we see something like this could not happen…because God is not “swayed” by an America first policy. So yeah, me thinks 4Isreal. And for the rest of the world, perhaps a way to benefit in understanding one last hour the awesome character of God…before it will be 7 years that won’t so eaily provide this focus of Him as it had been provided during the age of grace (where we could see His long suffering…His patience, and His ages of how His word flourished throughout the entire world. Hope this helps some perhaps as a side perspective. Or maybe in the sense of how I am seeing the voting thing in a way. I would see if Trump could disrupt the Clinton voting machine and get elected in 2016, he could do other things. I realize the vax issue make him sleezy at best. Which is one main reason Trump may be a bit swampy himself. Although there is something that kind keeps me wondering about a few things. Trump’s uncle John Trump knew intimate secrets about Nicoli Tesla’s inventions. Not sure what kinds of insights that might have benefited his family. Regardless, with Trum, me thinks, we are looking at an outlier. This is no average contender. Note to ourselves: God’s sovereignty had it that the man who was slated and admired for decades as the worldy icon of the American dream…gave Isaral Jerusalem and Golan Heights. Whatever that might be about, “might” be a way to think differently today…a littel…perhaps. Blessings :slight_smile:

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Probably a collectors item now for sure :slight_smile:

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Now you are finally catching on after only 4 or 5 years. They play football but are on the same team. One plays offence and one plays defence and when they see they are showing their hand they reverse positions. Same as the Bushes and the Clintons.

Shalom

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I would also believe unless after the mid, WW3 would add much to the time and we would run out of time and people.

Seal 1 sign the covenant seal 2 take peace from the earth with sudden destruction the other seals are the collateral damage of the natural progression of destruction and wrath.

All the way to the end they all run together as quick transitioning.

Shalom

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I would like to be raptured in 2023 Teren! :slightly_smiling_face: Sounds funny, but that’s my desire. One thing is set in stone: AT THE RIGHT MOMENT, GOD WILL SNATCH US AWAY!

I don’t know how long this scenario might take, I think I cannot know.
But the analogy of the birth pangs is telling us the events increase their frequency close the birth. So we have to watch with our eyes on the Bible, and look at current events through the Word of God only.
The hour is too late and it is too risky for the Church to get lost in attractive distractions. It is good to look for the signs, but not to the extent where we force current events into the Scriptures.
And I want to make this very clear to you Teren: I don’t write this for you personally Teren, not at all, I don’t think you’re doing that I write it for all of us on the forum, me first.
I remember when I fell into this trap myself, and it was not a wise move at all. It was not pleasant to realize the truth that I was misled. Thank God it only lasted a few weeks! The people I listened to were sincere (I hope), but undoubtedly on the wrong path. Sadly, a Christian can get very far away from the Truth by sincerely continuing on a wrong path. The video-makers’ words were very convincing and one of the arguments was seemingly innocent, yet unwisely presented: “There’s nothing wrong with getting excited!”, they said. I wholeheartedly agree, absolutely nothing wrong as long as we don’t force current events into the Scriptures. The Word of God forbids that.
“My people perish for a lack of knowledge” says the LORD.
I sincerely am ALL for getting excited about the signs/events (I want to fly away now!!! :slightly_smiling_face:), but ONLY as long as they are NOT forced into the Scriptures. Much better to be cautious than get excited for the wrong reasons, carefully concealed by some.
So now, I would much rather be frankly and directly confronted with the truth, than “nicely” being misled. Paul was pretty straight forward and firm when he defended sound doctrine of the Gospel, he was not willing to be pleasing to men, but rather to the LORD. So was Peter, John, Jude regarding gnostic infiltration.
Nowadays, it’s common for the Truth to be sacrificed on the altar of apparent friendliness, and in this very nice and agreeable way many lies are being allowed into the Church.
I tend to believe that even as born-again Christians, we are many times resisting the Truth, because we still have our sinful nature in us and we sometimes give in to it. The Spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Matthew 26:41. This unhealthy resistance to the Truth is clearly shown in Proverbs:
”Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.“
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭27‬:‭5‬-‭6‬
Who lavishes in being told they are wrong? My flesh doesn’t. My sinful nature does not want to be humbled. But my spirit does.

I honestly believe that many times we Christians fail to be objective when confronted with the Truth, and we don’t necessarily do this intentionally, we do it because we fail to see that that’s actually the reaction of the flesh. And we take the bait. But if we take some time, and not rush to words and subjective conclusions, the Spirit will help us discern. It takes time, willingness and cooperation to humble myself, admit I’m wrong and accept correction.

One more really good point is something I often heard a pastor say:
God comforts the afflicted, and afflicts the comfortable.
So if I’m afflicted, and broken, I know God is comforting me with His truth, and there’s no need to become defensive, just pause, pray and let the Spirit teach me the Truth.

As for the ones who willingly spread falsehood, God will take care of them. I don’t need to fight them personally, I just need to reject the falsehood. They may not like it, but it’s for their benefit. God can help them repent, IF they’re willing.

Teren, this gift God gave you of being sincerely open, not getting defensive, but keep an objective view of things and an open mind is quite a gift, my brother in Christ. You’re shining on the forum. The glory goes to the LORD as per Paul’s words:
”But by the grace of God I am what I am…“
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭10a

All these names are familiar, I myself mostly watch JD, and try to read a lot. I also rely on my husband for news headlines, and seasoned believers who have learned what to look for newswise. Otherwise I’d get lost in all the news.

But just curious if you’ve ever listened to David Knight? I remember he followed An0maly a while ago, too. I no longer watch him — not enough time, but I remember he exposed Trump and his shot from very early on.
I look at Amir’s telegram posts just to see his take on the war, and notice he’s a very good student of their prime minister. I’ll leave it at that.

I understand. US is definitely a tool God uses to protect His beloved Israel. But I’m concerned, as I already stated earlier, that the America First camp justifies NOT protecting Israel, based on their America First stance. God will protect His people, regardless.

They probably have access to unheard of technology and information that has been carefully kept away from the public. As Tucker said, when he was referring to “aliens” there’s a dark and spiritual component in all of this I think it may be the case with Nicola Tesla, too.

Modern day Nebuchadnezzar as some call him. :slightly_smiling_face:

Yes, God’s purposes were fulfilled through D.T.

Our sovereign God used the Enemy to give us the Cross!

”Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!“
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭33

And to know we are so close to being raptured and enjoy the everlasting presence of our LORD is most encouraging for us these days!

Sincerely,
from a sister in Christ.

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Don’t forget how Trump railed against Bibi when they balked at backing him after the election.

Trump can’t be trusted he is an integral part of the Beast System, if acts so brave because he knows the fix is in…

Unless he goes to jail I will not trust him, even then I will have my doubts.

Shalom

Shalom

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Morning Anca,

I do hope Tucker Carlson comes to know and trust Jesus. He seems so close and I think his family will follow him when he realizes …Jesus.

I’m beginning to see that same hope/realization with other families; those we know personally as well as those we do not. Husband are supposed to be our family’s spiritual leaders. I’m grateful for those whose who seem to be truly searching— reading the Bible is a good start— but so many who are actively searching seem to be blind men groping in the dark, and too many are clueless about the dark altogether.

We have a friend; Jeff, whose heart is good as gold. We’ve spoken to him, told him the good news (and pointed out the bad, too). I’ve come right out and told Jeff that I worry that he’s not saved. He finally said he trusts Jesus as his Savior… but he doesn’t. He doesn’t have a clue about what that means— or what he’s risking. He has a wife and one daughter who lives nearby. If he just believed, his salvation would influence his family (1 Corinthians 7) . Of course they sent Hannah to religion school (RCC), and so have fulfilled their parental duties, lol.

Hannah is engaged to and lives with Jacob, a sweet young man (who has an equally good-hearted brother who also lives with a young woman) … each one clueless. They know about Jesus, but they don’t know Him.

Jacob and Jase’s mother (a woman who “knows all about that ___ in the Bible) is married to a guy who is actively searching, but uber-smart (seriously) Chance is seduced by the choices on the religious buffet the world offers. We’ve talked; Chance is drawn to the Truth…but not aware it IS the Truth.

I’m thinking about inviting him to study Revelation with Hubbydude and I if we’re still here after the holidays. Have broached the subject with Hubby, who was not enthusiastic in our first conversation and have begun to pray about hosting this study. The ONLY way it will work is with God’s blessing— which seems like a no-brainer, but in reality is a HUGE necessity with this group of foul-mouthed drinkers and Chance’s wife (the two “boy’s” mother) who seems quite anti-Christ, but will most surely insist on coming. Any prayers for this endeavor would be MUCH appreciated.

All four of these men (and countless others) could be the reason their families are saved; just like Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and too many others. They all seem to know Who Jesus is, just not KNOW Him.

Shalom,
gr

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I agree with you brother Dan.
If he goes to jail he might become more of a hero, a persecuted one.
It’s so good for us to know that the LORD will protect His beloved Israel, regardless of who is in power.

Shalom to you, too!

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I’ve NEVER heard this put in a more clear way!

Curious Anca, how you see this happening since the beast system will be a one government/one religion tyrant.

Now THAT’S a truth bomb!

YES, to both of you! Trump is NOT a good guy; he is just on that side of the coin right now. When will the masses begin smelling the fruit of Trump’s spirit instead of gobbling up the propaganda?!? To use a local phrase, That boy ain’t right!

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https://www.youtube.com/live/reR6NHlEseI?si=WaDnI2Cm6S_AiRdG

Amen! So well spoken!

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My logic tells me if honest elections (if such a thing exists anymore) couldn’t happen when D. Trump

Thank you Anca this is very interesting. I think there could be a major event soon. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Peggy

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Thanks Anca. I’m very blessed by your rather nuanced response. I noticed something a bit more intricately as I read through your replies. One way to introduce that is a note on the wounds of a friend. There is wisdom in that as it is in scripture. Over the decades I have kind of seen the other side of that too though. I have seen what it looks like in ministry where confrontation, testing others, being in people’s faces, and exerting deep (even to like a manipulative extent) influence to rebuke. I’ve seen what the side of ministry in this looks like somewhat weaponized. Where the kindness of genuine human relations is seen to be merely for chumps and the weak and the needy. And in some ways it seems to have a somewhat glazing over effect (from what i have seen) in portions of the church. One low hanging fruit way to see this is more so in aspects of fundamentalism where external things (or things the word would leave to personal choice or preference) becomes tractics used to pressure others to this way or that way or the highway (meaning, see it my way or get lost). This is prevelent in a lot of churches in America. On some level it would appear to blend spiritual principles (which do have value and significance) with hyped personal preferences and ideology. The world I have seen is a bit more weaponized than fundamentalism. More crafty and subtle but has seemed to turn some people into antagonists as though they were appointed by God to school the world for Him. But like on a somewhat sophisticated and subtle level.

So I do hear you when you see “the wounds of a friend” are better than the “kind seduction of an enemy.” I guess I would see that more so from a perspective of two extremes (having seen a somewhat oppressive side of wounding your friends). A stance has emerged in the church to see that the spirit does not work through the following method:

2 Tim 2:

As a servant of the Lord, you must not argue. You must be kind to everyone. You must be a good teacher, and you must be patient. You must gently teach those who don’t agree with you. Maybe God will let them change their hearts so that they can accept the truth. The devil has trapped them and now makes them do what he wants. But maybe they can wake up to see what is happening and free themselves from the devil’s trap.

…as the spirit moves through my discernment and ability to smoke you out of your hole. And this is esteemed greatly in the church today. But when i look at 2 Tim 2, and see this is the address at where the spirit lives, moves, and operates from…I believe this is a good way to operate from. Looking for such things as “what opens opportunity for others to see.” It would appear to be “the kindness of the Lord leading to repentence.” Romans 2:4. It would seem that there is more a modern spin on this which can tend to be something like: Through my discernment and conviction shall others see God. And yeah I guess that kind of thing can be coming from defensiveness and a hunger for a certain sense of certainty in our lives. But I hear what you are saying dear sister. And I believe yes being open and direct but with an attitude of charity is all biblical…amen.

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You mentioned above that God does not need America to protect Israel. And I whole heartily agree. Now this brings up a refreshing thing maybe to meditate upon. As you describe where we might see differently, I can appreciate how you are looking at things differently. I would tend to see how God uses Providence to accomplish His ends. I tend to look at life like we would read the book of Esther. Like yes we can see the dastardly attempts by Haman…but what is pushing from the innermost center of the story is how God wants to show His glory. And so yeah, like this is how I am seeing things even today.

Whereas when I read your reflections, I see your honestly lovely heart trusting the Lord and looking into things with balance and patience. Amen. But I guess one difference I note is that when you look at things like globalism or nationalism or America first etc…the way you share seems to highlight the evil or deceptions within them. I understand that dear sister. But it might be that our axioms are rather different. And in general, I would say if there is one main theme axiomatic difference with how I am viewing from perhaps a general forum perspective is that i’m just looking at end times like the book of Esther. Well end times on this side of the tribulation. I know there will be a tribulation dispensation coming. I would not see that as looking at Esther. I would see that more like Psalm 2. So I guess that is a good way to describe my different orientations I guess. Whereas it would seem that the watcher world looks at the ending of the age of grace kind of through Psalm 2 eyes. I believe that is the ever evolving differences of our views perhaps. I would be looking for His Providence, but it seems like there is a tendency for a premium on the focus of the varying levels of deception involved in any of His Providence. Well I state it that way for effect. Does it kind of make sense where it might appear that what I would see as Providence might be otherwise thought of on this forum as deception to be aware of? Because I do see quite a few things to watch out for on the deception front. But wholistically, I guess this is where my view and the forum view may never align. Where the forum would see perhaps evil in Providence, I would tend to see God’s hand in His Providence, caring less about evil perhaps because it is still the age of grace. Does it kind of make sense where this tension or difference might be? And that we might not see eye to eye in places maybe all along the chain of coming events?

NATIONALISM
One way where our axioms might differ is that when the issue of Nationalism comes up, what I would understand as a concern from an escatogical standpoint is how a sense of focus on nationalism misses the point of our temporality and how this world is not our home, and u and I get that. That seems to generically also where a divide forms too thoough. Andy Woods in his sermon series on Genesis demonstrated that the dividing up into nations and the preservation of nations was a provision of God. I realize we might tend to pack a lot of “temporality” into the concept of Nationalism being that we are so near the tribulation. But if we see a contrast between globalism and nationalism and deem both are evil in our day…I guess I would see that to some degree that perspective makes sense in a sinful world. But that view can tend to perhaps gloss over in ways maybe God’s authoritative origin in His significance as He relates to nationalism (as He originated it and sustains it). And in seeing His sense of biblical intent and meaning in its oringin (that God created the idea and living concept of healthy nationalism–demonstrating a feature and aspect of His heart and charecter in the creation thereof of it) potentially also perhaps might be glosssed over. And being able to more clearly see the prisms of His heart toward humanity and the nuances of His majesty in the conception of nationalism…might take a back seat in ways to a post-modern sensibilty about how to frame the idea “today” of nationalism. Could God transcend our postmodern meaning of it today to serve His ends? I believe He could. Would He? I don’t think we can be certain. However, one thing that should not be so certain, i believe, is that there is absolutely no consideration of it…but what is though…is how evil and the devil permeate all aspects of every nomeclature of our world today. But i believe it is possible (even in our late stage days) that we might actually see God’s character toward our age (His ending of the age of grace) as I believe Andy Woods is correct in his view on nationalism–that it is a provision of God to our age (now waving goodbye).

I also understand that the sinful use of that, like Nazi Germany for example, or like trying to make America into Christian Nationalism are unhealthy and sinful applications of a godly provision. And when we see this group or that group promote nationalism and we see those group’s view as faulty, I can understand having that concern. But I guess for example where I would differ is that I would still hold to the essence of Nationalism as a gift in the age of grace given by God…in case He might make still further use of that. But in the way we can tend to assign meaning to nationalism today, it would just seem to me that the exploited versions of nationalism have somewhat drowned out any notion of its organic gift of God to His creation…sense upon it. And in viewing things in this way…we might be tempted to redefine God’s organic intent of Nationalism for His creation in how He might still make use of it today (or not) though.

It may be true that God would protect Israel aside from America. But, what He has demonstrated for decades is that He has. And that He still might. I would guess my concern in this sort of thing is that if America tanks, it would be for any number of reasons my country deserves to implode. I can receive that. But it would seem, of the watcher world today, somewhat (to me), that we tend to lend a bit more influence by way of our cultural moment perspective in how to understand the notion today of “nationalism.” And therefore, it cannot be used of God in His organic intended sense because the world is too perverse and the meanings of things have all been changed. So we will go with this modern view of Nationalism. And having it as a filter, we will interpret event meanings perhaps from our colloquial concerns of our modern notions. Well I bring that up because you mentioned that even as believers we can surpress the truth. So like maybe in this way where God’s organic intent of Nationalism was a godly provision of His, I would just think in His Providence He could still use that if He wants to. Not the way we in our sinful ways might use it, but in His design or ultimate use of it. If that makes sense? Not that He has to, but just that I see no watcher path where He can or is thought to be able to…because the meanings we have come to be familiar with would not put upon its meaning something like that. Where we could even concieve of such a thing. I am kind of sensing…we don’t…exactly. … sorry…one last point…lol…

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. . . I guess I am just trying to pinpoint a core like axiom where our orientations might only find common ground in that God can use anything for His glory. But in the sense of maybe God using the ultimate sense of Nationalism (which would be the US constitution) we might see it more like “The constitution isn’t even being honored and therefore we have come to only and merely a corruption of it.” Yet, that document in and of itself would be the epitome of wholistic nationalism. So when we see things like Israel being protected by the US for decades, and when we see things like America becoming the most powerful nation in world history (partly likely in its honor toward Israel–even from George Washington’s letter of intent towards the Jews–and partly in its constitution honoring humanity as created in the image of God…getting our rights from Him and not government), would or could there not be something in perhaps the building story of America loves Israel…that God wants to tell minus our views of all that? Something trackable and traceable having evolved during the miraculous years from a 2,000 year non-existing Israel freshly again upon the map of nations? Could there be an evolving sense of God being demonstrated over the decades and centuries that might find in Him a climax in a similar fashion? If all things were created for Him and by Him and consist in Him, do we want to rule out the ending of His age of grace not consisting of those kinds of eviidences of His person…and how He might choose to adorn the closing of His gracious church age? Is the rapture His only signature? Are we so sure? Can there not be other majestic essences of Him to occur in His closing of His age? Or would He be good with only the doom and deception His creation assign it? Its at least worth quite some fathoms of meditation…that extend far beyond any youtube video title, or thematic blueprint of His greatly loved creation, or even the newspaper versions of national movements and history. His climax of our 21st century might just end in a dumpster fire. But is the senses upon our notions and definitions of “nationalism” for us to have clarity? Or where we might notice to not have it? I guess that might be the arena where our axioms might differ, somewhat in where the outreaching of our hearts might land us. Or in what arena we might be thinking in. Even so, there may too be no need for consensus. For perhaps it is for some to see certain features, and not for some. And for others to be attracted to other features, and yet not for the previoulsy mentioned features of the others–having a focus more upon this or that instead. In any event, i just thought it might be somewhat helpful to pinpoint more so where we might see differently. In the view of soured humanity (perhaps similar to the 1st century), there are things to be aware of…to be keen of and not deceived. Which things might depend on how our axioms are calibrated perhaps.

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In the America First camp notion that might detour away from Israel, I could see this concern on varying fronts. Vivek Ramaswamy (republican candidate for president) has rightly asserted, i belive, that America should not fight or be involved with Israel at that level of getting into her regional squables. A situation like we have currently does call this sort of thing into question. But as far as Christian Nationalism or Qanon or Tucker and alt right views go, any sense of disingauging from Israel in a significant way would be antithetical to American First camp strategy in the Middle East region. To me something like this are sentiments and attitudes expressed in a free country. But where the rubber meets the road, Israel is too much of a middle east strategy for Ameriaca to walk away from. My nation will have a lot of strong views this way or that way. But i would not necessarily consider those views signs or indicators of future relations with Israel. Besides the Zionist influence in America is pretty gripping. And its elasticity would likely be with America for some decades to come. Trump would see Israel as the corner stone of the Abraham Accords. Regardless of his dissapointment with Netenyahu, Israel is a gem in Trump Middle East architecture…I believe. He absolely would not let Israel fade from US vision over the fickle nature of its leadership. On another note on that, there are things national leaders say publicaly and things they mean in private. There is an entire arena of newspaper version “appearances” that are used strategically in international influence as far as public statements, disagreements etc go. Fights between heads of state can be theater. Or in extreme cases like Trump with North Korea, then can completely change dramatically overnight.

These are just some things i guess where we might have significant orientational differences. I am just hopeful to accent perhaps some of the core elemental differences. In any event thanks for your reply and reading all of that and this in consideration. And thank you for all the kind words and thoughts dear sister. Mega blessings.

PS – I see David Knight has some long videos. I just check some out. He sounds like the kind of concept like Dr. Shiva. Government from ground up…new movement. That would be awesome…but I don’t think that is the way things are going. I will check him out from time to time. Blessings :slight_smile:

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I did my best, thank you for the encouragement. As you probably noticed, English is not my first language, and I loose a lot because of this, but not all. But soon there will be no language barrier, praise God! Can’t wait!

It will be as you say a one world government, remember Reagan’s words? This is in short how I see it happening. The coming crisis after we are raptured, will unite them.

God bless dear sister!

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Now I’m curious :eyes: about the major event :slightly_smiling_face:, honestly, but if you choose not to divulge, I respect that :hugs:.

God bless Peggy!

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