Hi Dennis. Thanks for your diligent research. You have always been very investigative in good faith research and I appreciate your heart. Out of this recent batch there are two primary articles that interest my research as well as offer potentially a healthy contrast even.
- Roy’s Report – Christian Nationalism
- Jonathan Brentner – Don’t Run in the Wrong Direction With Bible Prophecy
Additionally, I am interested to check out your posting on Bab the Great, but perhaps laterz.
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INTRO
I like Julie Roys because she helped put church abuse in check. Julie’s news org went against Pastor James MacDonald and was successful in unseating his pastorship for really good cause. She is known for being the peanut gallery against John Macarthur, but I believe it is helpful to bring some of that controversy to the surface. Julie can be emotional and use inflated language, but even so, there is enough “receipts” she actually brings to the table that do have total merit. And has proven to be accurate with concerns of totalitarianism in the church. The caveat here is that if you have a concern for Christian Nationalism (CN), we should have a concern of how vast control freakishness has become at the pulpit in many respects. I have severe first hand knowledge of this. And even though I’ve lived it, there is not a day that goes by that God is not showing me where I would do well to see “His” transcendent hand over the course of events in my life. So it causes me humble observation to see even how God might in good ways use totalitarian churches. A difficult line to walk for sure.
I don’t really know Brentner all that much so I can’t really speak to much on that. But for sure there are problems in the church today with Replacement Theology (RT). From my own experiences I tend to have a a lot of empathy for differing Christian eschataological perspectives because I have seen the vastness and I have also seen the benefits when Christian hearts don’t tend to be conquered by divisions. Replacement Theology in many instances is confusion derived by deep eschatalogical differences – differences I have not seen in general that have not been hugely helped by more sober minded eschatological positions. I would rack that up to Laodicean conditions in the church at large. I would say a lot of eschatology can be ironed out through caring discussions over longer periods of time…as this seems to be a very ripe age for possibilities for minds to be changed one way or another. And likely as things progress this year – even more.
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OBSERVATION
I believe there is intersectionality (to use a modern term often used nefariously) with Christian Nationalism and Running the Wrong Way with Eschatology. From what it honestly seems like to me is that in our attempt to not be about “either/or” mentality, it likely escapes notice how subtle this logical fallacy is.
In the article about CN, do we actually think that believers would have no role in social events? When God sent Israel into captivity to Babylon He told them to do good to the land. We should not further Babylon the Great, but the either/or here reminds me of similar overstatements I have seen Calvinism do with the doctrines of grace. Honest Christians know man is sin filled and fallible. That is the honest biblical take. The doctrine of grace borrows gnostic views of 'all physical BAD and all spiritual GOOD" vibes. And envelopes the fall of man into gnostic “all physical is EVIL” branding. Man is sinful and flawed and cannot save himself. But American Calvinism often focuses on how wretched we are even as we are being sanctified in Him…and in my estimation deflates many faith walk attributes to a living relationship in Christ (in order to champion how evil man is).
So on that i’d just say that CN is bad and ridiculous for the church to be involved in (although I realize their weakness toward that). But for the church to have 0 role in society seems to be more related to gnostic fallacy than real world biblical application. Especially in a Democratic republic. Where CN and RT compliment each other is at the either/or intersection.
The short route in conclusion to me is that the church can tend to focus on our relevance to make sense of prophecy and perhaps overstate rightly (and partly very unrightly), claims. I believe confusion as to our focus of relevance is at much on trial as would be not rightly dividing because of RT. I don’t believe MAGA is about America. I believe its about Israel (as is the Abraham Accords and Saudi Arabia normalization). I believe seeing what happens in the USA “as it pertains to Israel” is a more sober right divide practice of the word. But I also see this as tend to be an impossible exercise of sorts for the church (in general) unfortunately because it is seemingly too up close and personal (which is totally understandable). Just saying.
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So I do try to consider Hagelian Dialectic (HD) where it may in fact be a thing. I am more inclined to see this from a grass roots view more than an organized religious perspective. Which is why on HD view I would be more open to an An0maly style consideration on that. For those interested as we all go into the uncharted 2024 terrain obstacle course ahead. Blessings.