August 27, 2023: 1 John 4 -- Do I Believe Every Spirit?

This is a brief copy from the following site: (Highlighting in mine)
The Difference Between Judging and Discerning | Know HIS Ways

Discernment makes a differentiation, and it encourages us in going on the right path. A discerning person can sound an alarm if they notice something that doesn’t look right, but their goal is not to draw a judgment or a conclusion, but to help move the situation or the person in the right direction. Discernment is redemptive and helps to move someone choose better.

As God’s people let us use the gift of discernment to distinguish between good and the evil. When we see the good, we should encourage it and help it to grow and become strong. When we see evil, we’re called to pray, maybe warn someone, but always with a heart to see the situation changed and redeemed.

If Jesus, the perfect one, chose not to judge the world while He was on the earth, we need to be careful in judging people or situations before its time!!


Spiritual Discernment must be given by the revelation of Jesus Christ to the believer, and then developed by way of training in righteousness and prayer.

Heb 5:11-14 shows how spiritual discernment is developed. The writer speaks to those who had become “dull of hearing,” meaning they had fallen out of practice discerning spiritually. The writer of Hebrews tells them that everyone who lives on “milk” (rather than the “solid food” desired by the mature) is unskilled in the word of righteousness; however, the mature Christian has been “trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.”

The keys, according to this passage, are becoming skilled in the Word of God (by which we define righteousness) and “constant practice” (through which we gain experience).

So, how does one increase spiritual discernment?

  • First, recognizing that God is the only one who can increase wisdom, pray for it - James 1:5.
  • Then, knowing the wisdom to distinguish good from evil comes by training and practice, go to the Bible to learn the truth and, by meditation on the Word, reinforce the truth.

A knowledge of the true helps one identify the false.
This is what Christians must do to develop spiritual discernment.

We must know the authentic so well that, when the false appears, we can recognize it. By knowing and obeying the Word of God, we will be “trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.” We will know God’s character and will.

This is the heart of spiritual discernment – being able to distinguish the voice of the world from the voice of God, to have a sense that “this is right” or “this is wrong.”

Spiritual discernment fends off temptation and allows us to “hate what is evil; cling to what is good”.

The primary way a person with the gift of discernment can serve the church is to be a student of the Word and to use his understanding of Scripture to distinguish between what is true and what is false. It is the discerning person who will be comparing the words of the preacher with Scripture and who will lead the way in warning others of false teaching.

A person with the gift of discernment can assist others in (seeking and finding) discerning the will of God.

People with the gift of discernment are finely tuned to the presence and the work of the Holy Spirit. They are able, based once again on their knowledge of God and the truths He has revealed about Himself, to understand how He works and where He is working. They are also gifted in being able to tell where the Spirit is not present and warning others of counterfeit teaching or counterfeit Christians.

These are the main things to look for in discerning about something:

  • it is governed by love, for if it is not, it’s worthless (1 Cor 13:1-3)
  • it centers us onto Jesus and His word (1 Cor 12:3) One test of a person’s spiritual claims is their attitude toward Jesus Christ.
  • it directs us to Scripture, not away from it (Isa 8:19-20)
  • it builds up the church and its members, giving it power, wisdom, character, boldness and unity. (Eph 4:11-12)
  • it helps create in us a love of righteousness, a heightened sense of sin, and a turning away from known evil.

What discernment is NOT

‘Discernment’ is sometimes used as a catch-word for speaking against others (as with some ‘discernment ministries’), or to defeat them in a struggle for power or influence, or just to pick at them until they quit or retreat.
There are some people who could stuff themselves with Scripture until it came out their noses, and they’d still refuse to let the Spirit teach them anything. They’re not trying to discern at all; they’re seeking support, not truth.
Some are habitually critical or condemnatory of the specks in someone else’s eye when they themselves have a plank in their own eye. Such are not truly interested in righteousness, only in playing spiritual king of the mountain. Someone with a critical spirit.

(Much of the above were taken from notes in my files. Sorry I don’t have the original address of them as I lost the bookmarks when I had to get my computer fixed.)

Hope this helps someone.
Blessings

Edit: In answer to your question @Caleb
Yes, I prayed for a long time for a spiritual gift and the Lord answered me in Spades. I am forever grateful for the gift he gave me. Praise His Holy Name.

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See this related post above : :slight_smile:

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Worth repeating - thanks @DallasT

16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

James 1

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Dear Dallas - what a mature and great post - thank you - I enjoyed reading and will do so again as it is very useful (hopefully it will help ease the pain from the LOG in my eye) have a blessed day as we wait for Titus 2:13 :pray: :latin_cross: :grinning: :grinning:

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Thank you Dallas for your post on discernment. Pastor JD lamented Christians are not testing the spirits anymore.

I found this listening on SDA, it is what confirms JD said, denial of Jesus Godhood. Ellen G White is the author.

Another less known person which is NAR foundation architect which I have not researched yet:


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Cling to Jesus in the storm.

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I came out of “discernment ministries” and am embarassed for them now. Well laid out Dallas. Amen. Blessings.

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Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

I have not heard this sermon yet, but some posts here make me interested in it. Currently the trends of research i have been gravitating toward have been in discerning 1 John in llight of gnostic attack on the church in 80’s AD (as well as the book of Jude). In addition there are clear connections to gnostic thought having blended out of Budhism (500s BC) and Hinduism (1700s BC). In addition to that it has also been an interest of mine to discern political science as having roots from the gnostics such as Hagal, Marx, ect. There seems to be an extenuating running theme that also seems to parlay its way into Christian Nationalism. There is a lot going on there. My interest in something like that is seeing how the book of 1 John is taught today with our 21st Century Western ears attuned and how to look at 1st John wealth of scriptural insight as stated in the 1st century in respect to the notions we find in “Against Heresies” (2nd century apoligetic against gnostic thought–since most of gnostic ideas were burned in antiquity).

As we see a common thread from the Abrahamic era (like Muslim world stemming from Ishmael heavily populating the world over), we also see a kind of gnostic tree flourishing as well. Its ongoing research. But it would seem that the Muslim growth might be left as an Achille’s Heel for Israel. And since gnosticism proper (or what is known as proto-gnosticism) merely started in its ascetic mode such as can be found by Paul addressing Philippi (in that book) and later became antanomiansim. Whereas perhaps gnosticism in its 21st century form is the church’s Achilles Heel (having come out of the churches birth period in the 1st century as Ishmael was a contrast to Isaac the child of promise contrast under the Abrahamic developing days).

Its fascinating to see the centrality of 1 John as largly an encouragement to existing believers in contrast to how it is often used today primarily as “are you saved?” And the differences in seeing 1 John through these eyes is I guess my 'weigh in" as it rellates to the discernment motif. In one sense i guess the initiall takeaway is the “wow factor” to notice how 1 John is rarely in any context given much exegetical thought and teaching today as to its original context in what and how it was adressing things. Somewhat an anomaly i’d guess i’d say. 1st John as an affirmation to salvation. Wow. Amazing to consider.

In any event…looking forward to check out this sermon. Blessings.

Test No 5: About Asbury Revival + Sound of Freedom + NAR

This podcast has 2 researchers focused on NAR in depth, In this detailed expose, we delve into the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

Hope these videos will help Christians to discern the spirits.

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I do have one concern about the video. If I saw correctly, the main character in the play states that when He is before the Bema seat, his whole life is played out before him. Scripture says that when we confess our sins He is faithful to forgive us and our sins are buried in the deepest sea never to be remember any more. I believe what we will see played out before us is all the works done for the Lord and we will receive our reward for those things. When we stand before our Savior we will not be covered in our sins. They are gone, completely gone, amen? Again, thank you for sharing.

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Although we are not “judged” according to our “works”, I believe the Word shows us that we will still be “shown” whether some of those “works” we did, had the right motive.
And we will “feel / know / realize” that many times our hearts were not right unto Him. And we will understand, and be in agreement with Him.
He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. :slight_smile:

1 Corinthians 3:14
If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire

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This is my spiritual gift from our Lord. (1 Corinthians 12:10)
And people hate me for it ::slight_smile:

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People “hate” me… Are you being “hated”… If not…why not?

Jesus said :

The World Hates the Disciples

Isaiah 60:15
“Although you have been forsaken and hated, with no one traveling through, I will make you the everlasting pride and the joy of all generations.

John 15:18
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

John 15:19
If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:9
“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

AGAIN…John 15:18
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

So I ask all of my brothers and sisters in Christ out there…many that are “in hiding”… Are you being hated?..IF NOT…Why not ?

If it were illegal to be a Christian…(as it is in some countries and as it will be in the new world order / one world gov’t. Now upon us)… Would there be enough evidence…to CONVICT YOU?

jesus Watchman hated

Your Bible tells you that the majority of the Jews in the time of Jacob’s trouble will follow the Antichrist to not only worship him but to work with him as well.
These are the people that the book of Revelation lays out for you so very clearly, and Yuval Noah Harari is one of those people.

Klaus Schwab’s lead adviser Yuval Noah Harari also said this: “This is the end of human history. Not the end of history, but the end of a history dominated by humanity. The story will go on, but someone else will control it.”

Stacy, did you know? Corrie Ten Boom, is the “Poster Child” for Post Tribulation believers?

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Good example of why “false teacher” is so easily thrown around everywhere all the time. Cyrus was a false teacher. Zoastrian. People with different escatological views may be greatly used in the lives who most would might not consider worthy.

Subversion and Sabotage: The Unseen Threats to the Church

Uncovering Hidden Threats to the Church

September 8, 2023 • Pastor Brandon Holthaus

:fire: URGENT SERMON ALERT :fire:

:eyes: Dive into this compelling message as we unravel the complex threats of Subversion & Sabotage within the Church. :eyes:

:thinking: What do these terms mean?

Subversion is the indirect act of weakening the Church’s foundation from within. :tornado:

Sabotage involves more direct and intentional attacks against it.

https://rockharborchurch.net/watch/?sapurl=LyszamR3L2xiL21pLytrc2djaHJ3P2F1dG9wbGF5PXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQmhtbXM2dnQ=

What “spirit” would you say is behind some of these people, or at least behind some of their actions?

Beware the numerous false teachers, and false “Christs”, and those who promote them.

Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Paula White praises deranged Moonies cult leader: ‘She Loves the Lord.’

This is the same cult leader who believes her husband was the ‘Messiah’ sent by God to complete the mission that Jesus failed to fulfill during his earthly ministry.

Dr. Robert Jeffress, Franklin Graham, Greg Laurie, Jack Graham, and others … have promoted false “pastrix” Paula White in the past, many still do. Even after her promoting “porn” from the pulpit, and having been exposed over an affair with notorious false teacher Benny Hinn.

https://disntr.com/?s=paula+white

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VIDEO

Footage out of Dallas, Texas shows the moment a crowded LGBT-friendly church recited a pledge dedicated to drag queens standing at the front of the congregation.
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Anglican Church in North America (ACNA.)

Never let a good crisis film go to waste - smh :frowning:

Sound of Freedom Filmmaker Announces 2024 Mexico Presidency Bid, As Film Hits $210M - Protestia

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Is Tim Ballard going to “run for Congress”?

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