it’s not arrogance.
You can read revelation yourself. The wrath of God starts at 6:17. Everything before that… is not the wrath of God.
It was also just put on my heart, that I explained Daniel 12:1 but neglected 12:2.
The rapture is a resurrection
The resurrection, happens after the time of troubles begins.
The whole counsel of God has to be considered, you can’t just throw out parts like Matthew 24:29-31 because it’s inconvenient to a doctrine you hold to.
This is an amazing summary you have composed and presented in this Forum.
May God bless you richly for seeking HIs truth, daring to share boldly with others, and for doing your research based on the only known truth - Scripture.
Thanks so much, sister!!
Much Love
God Bless
I am attaching or sharing this article by WEF in 2016.
Point no 8 prediction: They believe in aliens.
The hubris reflected in Point 8 (full version: By the 2030s, we'll be ready to start sending people to Mars | World Economic Forum) is evidence enough that where there is water there is not necessarily life.
Revelation 22:1-2
Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
It’s the same technology and way they modify DNA in plants. And there are many doctors and specialists in that area who are saying it will. You must be researching with places like CNN or other left stream media. Apostasia means “the departure” and has the definite article in front of it. Paul is NOT giving conditional statements. Why don’t you go to a forum that matches your beliefs? Why are you here just to sow discord?
Matthew, Mark and Luke are not talking about the rapture at all. That is about the second coming and Jesus is dealing with the Jews ad the promise of the kingdom. You can’t just pull scripture out of context for a prooftext. The upper room discourse is the time Jesus alludes to the rapture … “I go and prepare a place for you…” Paul specifically tells us the doctrine of the rapture wa a mystery that was hidden. The church is in heaven in Rev 4-5, we are singing to God and Jesus with the 24 elders, and all manuscripts except one from Alexandria have “redeemed US.” Your assertions have no basis whatsoever. Again, why you are spreading discord and twisting scripture to confuse believers who are not as advanced.
No, I’ve looked into what each vaccine has, and gone back to my immunology, cellular and molecular biology, and virology fundamentals.
The components being used in the vaccines currently there lack the essential components to alter DNA. They lack the right enzymes.
On the second point 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness--the son of destruction--is revealed. compare several different versions of the bible. Pastor JD unfortunately cherrypicked a translation that fit with his own theology rather than taking the Word of God and forming theology from it. Eisegesis vs Exegesis. Almost all translations translate apostasia as a falling away, rebellion, or revolt.
As to why I’m here? Because despite having a different view on eschatology (and it’s really not THAT much different, it’s not like I’m post trib), Pastor JD does cover a lot of current events through a biblical prophecy lens and I value that. I’m not trying to sow discord but the cherrypicking a translation in order to cater to a narrative just doesn’t seem right, twisting the scriptures.
as to the synoptic gospels, you do realize that 1 Thessalonians 4 and Matthew 24 have a LOT more in common with each other than Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 right? The only reason why you would NOT consider Matthew 24:29-31 to be a rapture reference is because it says “immediately after the tribulation of those days” and you have gone into reading it with a preconceived belief in a pretribulation rapture. Because to you the rapture HAS to be pretribulation, any mention of such things happening after tribulation, can’t be talking about the rapture.
Matthew 24:31 has the angels coming with the sound of a trumpet and gathering the elect.
What IS that if it’s not the rapture?
If you don’t read the “immediately after the tribulation of those days” you’d see Matthew 24:30-31 as the rapture.
Note that NOTHING like that happens in Revelation 19. There’s no gathering of the elect in Revelation 19, the Elect are riding behind Jesus as the armies of heaven. The only thing gathered in Revelation 19 is the armies of the beast and false prophet to be destroyed. Matthew 24:29-31 fit more with Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:14-20, and is nothing like Revelation 19:11-21…
Have you read the terms of use on this forum?
Because if you have then you are willfully breaking them. If you haven’t then you are not to be using the forum until you do as per the terms. Either way you will see that THIS IS A PRE-TRIB FORUM ONLY.!. JD’s ministry is Premillennial, Dispensational, Pre-tribulational and Continuational with a high hermetical theory.!. This IS the doctrinal position of this forum and it’s members.
There’s a difference between a differing interpretation of who the restrainer is… and cherrypicking a translation to force it to say what you want it to say for the word apostasia. That’s what I am upset about.
Should I not say something when a verse of the word of God is treated like that? Just twisted to mean whatever you want it to mean?
With 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, okay, there’s different interpretations of who this restrainer is and I can see where each person is coming from and while I have an interpretation I favor, I can be wrong.
But to say almost every English bible translation is wrong with 2 Thessalonians 2:3 when they translate apostasia as rebellion, falling away, revolt, or apostasy… and instead find the couple translations that translate it as “departure” so that you can interpret it as meaning the rapture? That’s not sound. It’s especially wrong if you don’t read the Geneva Bible as your primary bible that you refer to, but use it just to cherrypick that one translation of that one verse to infer one interpretation to support a doctrine.
It wasn’t twisted check out the true greek scholars on this Dr. Thomas Ice Dallas Theological Seminary has a video of the study Apostosia. The first 13 translations into English render the translation “departure.”
I do not feel any pleasant emotions by having read the last 50 replies or so. Guess I muted it for a reason 
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With all seriousness, I feel we are totally surpassing the whole STOP ARGUING message of JD. 
I’m a bit bummed tbh.
I read the King James. in the King James it’s “falling away”. People who want to change the meaning of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 go to the Geneva Bible because it translates apostasia as “depature” so they can claim it’s proof that the pretrib rapture precedes the antichrist. I think that’s unsound unless you really want to say that every other translation including the King James is wrong, and not a small amount wrong, but as in, change the meaning of the entire verse wrong.
But considering the context not making sense (the rapture can’t happen until the rapture?), and almost every other bible translation translating it as a departure from faith not a departure from earth…
I think the Geneva is the outlier there.
Now if you want to say the restrainer is the church, using 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7… okay fine at least you’re not saying every other translation but the Geneva is wrong and that we don’t all have the word of God when we read the bible.
What a joke, going back to your “fundamentals” when this vaccine is completely new and would not have anything to do with your old outdated schoolbooks. Again, experts in immunology from top universities like Yale and from other countries are diametrically opposed to your pompous opinions.
Second, the only one without any spiritual discernment or correct bible interpretation rules is you. Apostasia was translated before even the King James as the departure. The Catholics are the ones who influenced the falling away business because they were insinuating that the protestants were the ones “falling away.” It was political and that has continued until this day. Lazy dictionary editors did not go back and study the original meaning of the word. Go back to Andy Woods site and look at the Rapture series. The later ones, a few weeks back, go in depth on why Matt 24 and 25 are not AT ALL about the rapture, but about the 7 year tribulation. Just because something “seems” like another verse somewhere else doesn’t make it so. That is lousy hermeneutics and is not even logical. Have you never heard of context?
So you like JD’s prophecy update. Great. Why are YOU in this forum sowing discord, contradicting him and other more competent actual scholars with personal idiosyncratic illogical bible interpretation that is mid-trib or whatever? It’s NOT a comment section in a public forum. It’s rude and undermining to his ministry teaching. Having some differences is fine, but flooding with contradictory doctrine and inflammatory BS fake science opinions on vaccines when he said he wouldn’t take it himself is calculated and wrong.
What component in the vaccine would reverse transcribe mRNA into DNA, and what component would integrate that DNA into your DNA?
mRNA can’t just unzip your DNA and insert itself.
Second, again, it fails to make sense in context.
“2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
Here’s how viewing apostasia as the rapture changes that.
“2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and we be gathered together unto him first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
“the rapture shall not come, except the rapture happen first”
How can Paul make a conditional statement with the rapture being it’s own prerequisite condition?
It is not helping Andy Woods’ case when he outright says he’s interpreting that way to use as a proof text for his doctrine (in an interview I’m watching). That’s Eisegesis. He’s going into it with an agenda.
I have waited several days before commenting in this thread because I found the latest Prophecy Update disturbing. It is possibly just the dogmatic tone with which a number of connections were made. I pray that what follows is received with a spirit of prayerful consideration. Oh Lord, here goes …
The information on the vaccine (not) being the mark of the beast was all over the place and very unclear. The entire DNA being causal argument I disagree with and is IMO doctrinally dangerous. As @jay has clearly pointed out in this thread, this stance causes all kinds of salvation problems as it condemns those who have had their DNA altered through no fault of their own. Think of it like this, we each may believe our DNA is pure, but how is this verified? Perhaps we have each ingested a little too much environmental glyphosate or micro-plastics or had a little too much microwave exposure or been exposed to some other agent (e.g., HPV) that damages DNA? At what point does the extent of DNA damage remove you from the book of life? I will state this again in simple form: relying on DNA purity for salvation is IMO tantamount to heresy as it is fundamentally anti-Christ i.e., it subverts the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith. I would be interested in seeing others in this thread take on that particular discussion.
Then there was the matter of the mark being “forced and coerced” that appears to be based on the KJV word “causeth” (Rev. 13:16) but was not explored further. Firstly, the word here (Strong’s 4160 poieó ►) has a huge number of meanings. Even this particular form definition (ποιεῖ poiei) occurs 31 times in the Word and this form alone is variously rendered as “bring forth,” “do,” “give,” “make,” “keep,” “transgress,” “exercise,” and “cause.” The reference in this passage is made in relation to the second beast (false prophet), thus it is entirely possible that what is referred to here is the papacy encouraging RCC members to take the mark i.e., the “all” is contextual. As has been pointed out elsewhere on these forums, it is simply against scripture for the “all” to imply the entire global populace, as otherwise there would be no tribulation saints. In any case, the idea of forcing and coercion runs counter to that of the mark representing a pledge of allegiance to someone other than God. If people can be coerced to forcibly receive the mark then one’s salvation can be stolen by force. This line of reasoning worries me. Comparisons with Ezekiel 9:4-7?
The rapture being “explained” as an alien abduction is also something I disagree with as it creates more problems than it solves. Explain to me the Galactic Federation and take time going over the details of a scale of proportion that is outside human comprehension. One cannot hold in one’s mind the incalculable vastness of just the Milky Way, which is essentially doing math with numbers at e17+. It is especially difficult to weave the manifold aspects of the alien idea into the unfolding humanist narrative we are witnessing issuing from the NWO/RCC et al. Humanist means human-centric i.e., man rather than God, not man + aliens + Galactic Federation + whatever rather than God. The more moving parts a theory has the less believable it is. The believability quotient for the masses is quite low i.e., only the most rudimentary theories can be sold as believable, thus A is Z is far more effective, than A+B+C+? is Z. Remember, whatever narrative is used by the NWO/RCC the objective is convincing as many global citizens as possible. Contrast this with the “Satan is not stupid” remark and it begins to look a lot like either Satan is stupid, or he inhabits the adjacent state of lunacy.
This narrative then led into transhumanism which is more about man as God and again does not work in well with the humanist narrative we are witnessing. One cannot be both humanist and transhumanist as this is an axiomatic divide. The former revels in being human, while the latter eschews it. A decent visual exploration of a transhumanist future can be found illustrated in the H+ YouTube series. The 4th industrial revolution defined as a “fusion of technologies that is blurring the lines between the physical, digital, and biological spheres” (Source) is not necessarily transhumanist but is more about unifying global citizenship via a single identity a la ID2020. Advertising the “biological” aspect as being DNA is largely misguided. Biological identity comes in a host of recognition forms, many of which we have today e.g., fingerprint, face, iris, voice, and numerous other biometrics, one of which (albeit a significant one) is DNA. Transhumanism deals primarily with augmentation that extends or blurs the boundary of what is considered human. Development in this area has been a long, slow, process. The irony here is that biometrics are useful humanist forms of identity. Transhumanism messes with the boundaries of identification and makes meaningful biometrics more difficult, rather than more effective. It may well be that under the beast system the elites will more fully pursue transhumanism, but it is likely the masses will be humanist. A system where everyone is a god does not work too well. The gods need their minions, otherwise it is difficult to embody the idealogy and reality of godhood. I will just add one last point to this humanist vs transhumanist line of reasoning. Humanism is here now, today, and can fulfil the vast majority of prophetic requirements. Transhumanism on the other hand is in its infancy and likely requires years, if not the best part of a decade, to become more fully developed and widespread. Those pushing the transhumanism wheelbarrow in terms of prophecy I suggest have a lot more pushing to do and for quite some time yet.
These are my thoughts. I would be grateful if others would clearly articulate their thoughts on these matters. I would be especially indebted to anyone providing correction to any wayward thinking I may be exhibiting. I still praise God for pastor Farag and look forward to his prophecy updates and sermons, as well as this online community.
God bless.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7
They have to publish peer reviewed articles in journals, on their trials when they’re showing that it is safe and effective.
This shows a list of ingredients in the vaccine: Comirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA
The key words to look for if you’re looking to see if something can alter your DNA are “reverse transcriptase”, “integrase” and “retrovirus” or “retroviral” particularly “retroviral vector” If you ever see a vaccine that lists reverse transcriptase or integrase in its ingredients or uses a herpesvirus, lentivirus (like HIV), papillomavirus (like HPV), or influenza virus vector… stay as far away from it as possible, those can change your DNA, and I don’t say this as in I think it’d make you unsavable, but that’s a cancer risk.
and also Reassuring Data for Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine | Office for Science and Society - McGill University
Is this the beginning of an mRNA vaccine revolution? | Adam Finn | The Guardian
for more layman terminology.
You are 100% right that it is very much possible for them to make a vaccine that does modify your DNA. an mRNA vaccine that includes reverse transcriptase and integrase will be able to do that, or just packaging a vaccine in a modified retrovirus. In fact, they’ve used retrovirus vectors to specifically edit a cell’s DNA, it’s not even really disguised as a vaccine it’s just “gene therapy”.
I’m not disagreeing that they have the technology to do that or that they would not ever do that.
I’m just saying that these particular vaccines don’t have the necessary components.
and I just want to reiterate that while this vaccine doesn’t change genomes, It’s still a bad vaccine, mRNA vaccines are bad immunology because you’re having a person’s own cells put a “kill me” flag on their own surface.
So I’m not at all surprised when there’s allergic reactions even though the vaccine contains no preservatives (even though Pfizer seems to be surprised by that since the vaccine contains no animal products or preservatives which are usually the culprits that cause allergic reactions to vaccines… but the cause of these allergic reactions is… your own cells painting a kill me target on themselves), and why bell’s palsy has been a reported side effect, and that is again, because of how the vaccine works by making your own immune system target your own cells after they express a viral protein on their surface.
It’s the dumbest immunology you could think of.to make your immune system target your own cells.
Darn…
Someone needs to write that in every post in this Forum. If not this is going to be a box plenty of cats and dogs.
I bet they are putting something in the water. Dontknow what it is but its hitting hard around.
God Bless
Oh for sure, rapture timing is such a minor doctrine, we can disagree on things but we should be willing to change eschatology views in mid air.
why I even got bent out of shape is because changing the translation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in such a way that it changes the meaning of the verse so dramatically makes this implication that the word of God has not been preserved at least in meaning, that what we have in our hands is not the word of God and perfect but contains serious errors. Just imagine how many doctrines we could have wrong, even important ones like salvation through grace, if the translations were done wrong. The most essential doctrine is that the bible is the word of God and is truth, because with us not being eyewitnesses to the death and resurrection of Jesus, it’s all we really have to go on for our faith!